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Posted By: Bill Carton - the Roadie <wcarton@flash.net> In Response To: Loser NetCops, Privacy Morons, and Anti-Spam Zealots Can't... (Nathan Haines)
Sunday, 4 June 2006, at 8:47 p.m.
> Personally, I think that Anti-Spam Netcops have pushed things to the point
> that legit marketers can no longer safely use e-mail. The cure has become
> worse than the disease. Sad, but true.
Nonsense and balderdash. Spammers are the ones who have poisoned the well. Blame the right bunch of on-line antisocial criminals, not the the ones trying to make email a useful personal communication medium. You have definitely confused the cause of the problem with one of the cures. Do you also blame firefighters for conflagrations, teachers for ignorance, or doctors for disease?
If mailing list managers would only have addresses on their list who they can prove wanted to be there, by insisting upon and saving a closed-loop confirmation log, then they would all have perfect immunity from the odd spam complaint. Some folks *do* forget they signed up. If you have the logs to prove they did, and confirmed it, (not a forged subscription on some web site that could have been entered by their cousin), then just give that to your ISP. No problem.
It's all here: http://www.mail-abuse.com/an_listmgntgdlines.html
How can you argue against any of those reasonable guidelines? What's so onerous?
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