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Re: (1) Mr. Bluto..... (2) Mr. Bluto & Mel.....

Posted By: Mel. White
Sunday, 4 June 2006, at 3:09 p.m.

In Response To: (1) Mr. Bluto..... (2) Mr. Bluto & Mel..... (MaaMaw)

> issue").  This brand new version is WONDERFUL.  It's easy
> to use, user-friendly, doesn't crash, and has about a million features
> (that are actually understandable, which is refreshing).

If you want to use it, then use it. :)

> I had *no* idea my ISP might not allow me to send a newsletter.

Oh yes. And it would be best to ask them, too. Lots of folks get hacked by spammer-hackers and trojans and end up blasting out spam mail through their ISP accounts (unknowingly). So ISPs tend to shut down people who suddenly send a whole lotta mail.

> I had *no* idea my newsletter might exceed my bandwidth if I send it
> through my web host.

Yes. Everything you do costs bandwidth. Web hosts pay for connections to Internet and it comes in a lot of different sizes. It's cheap for a "not many hits; not many pages" site. But if you want to host something like CNN.COM (or abovetopsecret.com, to name a BBS) then you have such a huge amount of traffic and information being served that the hosting computer needs a VERY very large connection (bandwidth) to the Internet. Last time I priced a medium-large one, the rent was in the vicinity of $5,000/month.

So if you, the customer, suddenly start using more bandwidth (even if only occasionally) they are going to charge you more rent. After all, your activity will make all their other sites slow down.

No, there's no good way of estimating it. At first, it won't be noticeable. But if you get a mailing list over a thousand they will certianly notice the activity and the bandwidth suckage.

> I had *no* idea everything might get blocked as spam because it wouldn't
> be coming from one of the well-known list-serving domains. 
> (Question:  Well-known domains like Cox.net don't get white-listed?).

Yes, and yes they do. When AOL addresses were flooding spam to the Internet, many hosts blocked mail from AOL.

> Are you saying if I use Mailloop, it's likely my stuff won't get through??

We've seen a lot of advice from marketers here and a lot of them have posted about how their newsletters sometimes don't go through. Remember that the receiving computer is using filters (like you use on google ads) to block a lot of spam. Bunches of it still gets through.

So the wrong words in your newsletter can also (as marketers have pointed out) cause them to get dumped to spam... etc, etc.

This would be a risk with ANY newsletter software; not just Mailloop.

You can certainly try it and if it's not working or if you develop problems (like your webhost or ISP wants you to spend more money), you can switch to another option. However, this may lose subscribers.... Dan Case switched to another newsletter service for his wonderful newsletter, and they don't accept email addresses with the word, "spam" in them... hence I can't get it delivered to my Spamcop account.

...and so he lost a subscriber.

You can dither about this forever. Just leap in and do it, okay? You've got advice now, but in the end we're not walking in your shoes and we're not budgeting on your budget. You have to do what works for YOU. What works for us may not be your best solution.

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