Re: I'm torn on this one.....

> I owe Don a lot for the time and advice he so willingly gave me, and I'm
> not going to let this board turn into A Bashing Place.

I am not trying to "bash" him either, simply wnat to make people aware of who they are purchasing biz op materials from.

> On the other hand, many's the time I've become a "crusader" when
> I knew someone was scamming the public, even if I hadn't personally lost
> anything.

This is where I sit as well

> I don't know the facts here...

> Jason doesn't think I'm open to the truth in this case, but I am. 
> (Jason, I'm sorry I haven't dug deeper into this and followed up with the
> contacts you've sent me, but I have way more than I can handle right now;
> I just can't take on any more.)

I understatnd your position

> Jason's site is hard to follow, and it reads like a rant -- which, if he
> has his facts straight, is unfortunate, because it rubs people the wrong
> way and doesn't get the point across.

I agree thatthe site is hard to follow, I will work on it when I have time to see if I can make it "read" better. The fact that he had a picture that belongs to someone else on his site, is really the only point of this addition to the site.

> If he has his facts wrong, then it's too bad for Jason because I expect it
> will land his hiney in court and it won't be pleasant.

My facts are correct, I took the screen shot, as well as contacted the owner of the other company. The emails were pasted to the site, just formated to read properly.

> This is an anti-scam board, and it would be wrong to zap this... but I'm
> staying on the fence right now.

> I need proof, and disjointed emails are not proof enough for me. 

As I stated a few lines above, the screen shot was taken by me, The only proof this provides is that he had pics on his site that do not belong to him. This in itself is not right.

> Specifically, what bothers me is the two-liner from the company. 
> I've gotten plenty of threats from plenty of "legal
> departments," and they're always very specific.  This doesn't
> give any details whatsoever; cripes, it doesn't even mention the
> pictures!  (I'm not saying you made it up, Jason... just that it
> feels like something is missing.) 

All that it says is that the have forwarded this to the legal department, at wich time I would expect a proper cease and desist order to be sent. I did not recieve the emails directly from Don, they were forwarded to me from Peter.

> It also bothers me that all of this is supposed to prove that the
> donations never went where they were promised.  WERE there any
> donations (as in, did any people actually buy any products intending to
> donate a percentage)?  DID they go or didn't they (that seems to have
> taken a back seat, now, to biz op scams)?

Yes I know of more than 1 person that bought from Don during this promotion. I am not willing however to disclose how many. I have tried to contact Don and he will not reply unless I am interested in purchaseing something. I want to ask Don if they did go, his silence tells me that they didn't. So I have taken the next step and it is in the hands of folks that say they will find out.
Well I guess THIS site is not supposed to proove that the donations were never sent.
In my searching through Dons stuff, I came upon a HUGE amount of info that suggests to me that I should also be checking into his other business practices.
The Donation deal is in the hands of people that are supposed to be checking into it. (slow,slow) Not certain that they care as there are bigger fish to catch. I am in the proccess of laying out very clearly for them so they can look at it and act without very much leg work. As you state above, I have a hard time stating myself clearly.

> In either case, I think people have to make their own decisions, and I
> can't actively hide this kind of information, although I really hate it...
> and if some government agency really did get involved, I'd like to wait
> and see how that turns out.

If and when something happens the donation thing, I will be certain to let you know. The promised donations are in fact what started this whole thing.

> For the record, Don screaming at people in emails is NOT evidence of
> guilt.  It's what he does (or "did," until he turned over a
> new leaf a few months ago).
Just dumping his site because he recieved a legal threat from a company is not
evidence either, but it certainly doesn't fit his M.O.
Thanks MaaMaw, I will try to make it flow better as I make changes to it.
In a post above, someone stated that you just need to ask for reff.
In an email to Don where I was pretending to be interested in buying something from him, I told him that I didn't feel comfortable with him. He directed me to go look at Sowpub. Well I know that anything negative about Don, factual or not, is deleted from that board. So If I were the average Joe looking at him, I would goto the board he suggested and see, wow this guy is great. That is not fair to average Joe. This is why I am trying to show "people" another side of Don, maybe they will see my site and decide to do more resaerch on him before they invest in his programs.
So thanks for leaving this here.

Thanks, Jason
> Luv,