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FIB - Scams 101 - Ye Olde Archives
Posted By: The Roadie <wcarton@flash.net> In Response To: Re: Beware of making bad decisions on stale data (Mike Jolley)
Sunday, 26 June 2005, at 7:54 a.m.
> Ok, I always assumed those were from small-time affiliates. I've read
> about complaints against Gevalia but I didn't know they were actually
> supporting this behavior.
Gevalia has been talked to, as have Kraft investor relations dept. They continue to sign up spamming affiliates and pay commissions for new customers, no matter how they're brought in. Like paying for leads brought in by junk faxing, the principal company can't escape liability for what their law-breaking affiliates so. It's the legal principles of Agency and Ratification.
> I'm looking at the list, and these are mostly individuals. I don't see any
> names I'm familiar with. As I thought, the big spam comes from small
> jerks.
Those names aren't representative of the big companies who hire them. Ahhhh, there's a term you can do a search on, that refers to the otherwise legitimate companies that hire spammers: mainsleaze. A twist on "mainstream."
Check out http://mainsleazespam.com/
> I received an interesting unsolicited email from a group called SPAMIS
> announcing that Microsoft is a big-time spammer. Now I'm confused. Well
> that's off-topic.
Har! SPAMIS is not a group - it's one lonely spammer, Robert Alan Soloway. He and I go way back - he used to live in the town in Oregon where my daughter went to college - I got some pics of his expensive leased cars. http://www.geocities.com/wccarton/Soloway.html
He just lost a default judgement to Microsoft (millions of dollars he doesn't have) so he's lashing out. He's also on the hook in another lawsuit in Oklahoma, still running. He's desperate, and pretending to not be scared.
Some legal docs: http://www.mortgagespam.com/soloway/
> Why is this info restricted? I'd like to know this stuff.
What's restricted? It's no secret inthe anti-spam and email administration community. I think SpamPal runs user forums you can do a lot more reading at. Many custom plugins available, too.
> You know what would be funny? What if Hormel started sending out spam
> trying to sell SPAM? They might be the only company on the planet that
> could legally get away with it.
UCE is nicknamed "spam" - all lower case, to make sure it isn't a trademark violation to Hormel's spiced ham product. And (even though you meant it as a joke) since spam is about consent, not content - if anybody sends out UCE mentioning SPAM, it still is spam. :-)
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