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Yet another important question for the Roadie...

Posted By: Valarri
Wednesday, 22 June 2005, at 5:58 p.m.

In Response To: Nobody has all the facts yet but GoDaddy (The Roadie)

So how is it that you can just call Godaddy up and get as many specifics about another person's ordeals/account as you have? Are both of you not infinging upon the domain owners privacy? After all, as far as I can see in that thread, the OP never mentioned the URL in question. How is it htat they were so willing to share these details with you? Can jus tanyone do this or do you have some sort of "special" privilage? Are you with law enforcement maybe? Are you somehow involved in this case displayed n the warrior forum? Very confused here.

> I just got off the phone with GoDaddy abuse. The guy at Warrior Forum is
> jumping to a false conclusion. He got a copy of a bounce message from a
> virus, that clearly had his domain forged into the "From"
> address. This happens millions of times a day, and once in a great while
> some newbie thinks the "from" address is really where the
> unwanted email comes from and they complain to the wrong people. They
> clearly can't read headers.

> GoDaddy abuse staff CAN read headers, and they can tell virus payloads
> from a spam that ALSO advertises the accused spammer's domain *IN* the
> body of the spam. Viruses don't do that.

> What got sent to GoDaddy as a complaint was a real spam, not the fake
> virus kind of crud.

> So now the domain owner gets to tell his side of the story. GoDaddy is
> going to send him a copy of the complaint, and ask for proof that the
> recipient opt-ed AND confirmed to be on his list. If the domain owner is
> sending marketing reminders to former or current customers, then he has
> the "existing customer" kind of defense. If he's running an
> unconfirmed web sign-up form, and the spam victim's address got forged (or
> typoed) into the web form and got added to a list without being confirmed
> first, then he gets to pay a fine and choose one of two paths.

> 1) Transfer the domain away from GoDaddy. If he chooses this path, they
> unlock the domain, and contrary to a Warrior Forum post, they don't
> inhibit or block the transfer at all.

> 2) Keep the domain at GoDaddy but promise to NEVER have another spam
> complaint sent to them. If a future spam complaint comes in, GoDaddy locks
> the domain and won't allow it to be transferred away. They keep it as
> liquidated damages for the contract violation.

> People on the Warrior Forum who claim that GoDaddy doesn't have the right
> to be doing what they do have not talked to a lawyer or reviewed a GoDaddy
> contract yet, so they're talking out their butts.

> The original poster was not shut down for spamming - but could be if the
> complaint is valid. I would be disappointed in GoDaddy if they did
> anything less.

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