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Posted By: Bill Cornelius In Response To: Free assistance offered (The Roadie)
Friday, 11 March 2005, at 11:28 a.m.
> I've heard rumors of rogue anti-spammers, but my professional anti-spam
> colleagues and I would never stoop to those levels. We get quite enough
> spam without falsely signing up for more.
> As long as you're sure they're signing themselves up, and aren't being
> forged onto some unconfirmed lists by spammers they've annoyed. That
> happens a lot more often in my experience than what you're describing. And
> that's one reason lists have to be confirmed.
> Well, you need to prove intent when you claim things like that. Those
> subscriptions, if not confirmed, might be forged, and not from the people
> you think they're from. I had a colleague from Queens end up on an
> unconfirmed list last month, and the list vendor claimed he signed up
> using a dial-up IP from Minnesota, where he had never even visited.
> Implausible. So anything he gets to that address is spam, since he didn't
> personally sign up and confirm.
> Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof. Please name this
> organization, and send me data in email if you want to keep it private.
> These folks are no friends of mine, and harm the anti-spam cause. I'd love
> to help get them off your back. Will you let me?
> I'm offering my assistance for free, and I'm not one of them, I assure
> you. Let me help.
> Yes, and I hate them as well. I only know of two, one in Toronto and one
> in Arizona, but the one in Toronto (http://www.jamiebaillie.com/) doesn't
> file lawsuits. Care to compare notes?
Bill Cornelius
Thanks for the offer, Roadie, but quite honestly... I don't know you from Adam. Here you are nothing more than pixels on a screen and while I have no reason to doubt your statements of disdain for the bad apples, I also have no comfort that you aren't one as well, so I'll just stick to letting the professionals do their thing.
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