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Posted By: The Roadie <wcarton@flash.net> In Response To: Re: You sound pretty bitter, Bill (Bill Cornelius)
Friday, 11 March 2005, at 10:31 a.m.
> No I'm not bitter at all, but I am taking some action against the people I
> refer to as the spam nazis.
I've heard rumors of rogue anti-spammers, but my professional anti-spam colleagues and I would never stoop to those levels. We get quite enough spam without falsely signing up for more.
>
> No, the idiots aren't really the problem. The real problem are the zealots
> who opt in to get on all sorts of lists then file fraudulent complaints
> with ISP's.
As long as you're sure they're signing themselves up, and aren't being forged onto some unconfirmed lists by spammers they've annoyed. That happens a lot more often in my experience than what you're describing. And that's one reason lists have to be confirmed.
> Why should it be a legitimate cost of doing business when the expense is
> created by people hoping only to cause trouble or hit the jackpot with a
> spam law suit?
Well, you need to prove intent when you claim things like that. Those subscriptions, if not confirmed, might be forged, and not from the people you think they're from. I had a colleague from Queens end up on an unconfirmed list last month, and the list vendor claimed he signed up using a dial-up IP from Minnesota, where he had never even visited. Implausible. So anything he gets to that address is spam, since he didn't personally sign up and confirm.
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> Actually I've had just over 125, but almost $10,000 in fees to
> investigators revealed that 81 of those complaints came from 3 individuals
> all part of an anti spam organization which has made over 10,000
> complaints that have so far been identified.
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof. Please name this organization, and send me data in email if you want to keep it private. These folks are no friends of mine, and harm the anti-spam cause. I'd love to help get them off your back. Will you let me?
> Am I correct in calling them
> spam nazis.... Well, I would call them something else but I won't. It will
> continue to cost more money to get more information, but I feel it is
> money well spent to get to the bottom of this thing.
I'm offering my assistance for free, and I'm not one of them, I assure you. Let me help.
> Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying everyone who reports spam is a crook,
> but I know for a fact that some are!
Yes, and I hate them as well. I only know of two, one in Toronto and one in Arizona, but the one in Toronto (http://www.jamiebaillie.com/) doesn't file lawsuits. Care to compare notes?
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