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Posted By: BenV In Response To: Seriously, BenV, you really did miss the boat... (Bluto ^_^)
Tuesday, 5 September 2006, at 6:44 a.m.
> What?
> The only negative part of my post (as far as Steve Irwin is concerned) was
> my title, which was a total lie and just used to attract attention to my
> reply in a sea of other replies.
> I think you really missed the boat.
> If you reread my post, I never berated Steve Irwin in any way, shape, or
> form (in fact, that was the total opposite of what I actually did). Nor
> did I say I never saw his show. In fact, I stated that I DID in fact see
> his show, about 6 times. Sorry if you think one has to have their eyes
> glued to the government tube 24/7 in order to actually know what is a good
> or bad TV show. I don't see it that way. If I did, I would waste my money
> on cable TV. ;)
> BTW, I also never stated that he never did anything to promote animal
> rights or conservation. Not only do I not believe that, I don't even care
> anyhow. But I never stated it. Please reread my post.
> As for animals being intelligent, yes, you are half right. But learning as
> an animal learns and learning as a human learns are totally different,
> also, noting is black nor white. I know that, for instance, chimpanzees
> have many human intellectual attributes. That's the exception, though, not
> the norm.
> One can debate all day long that animals must think to learn. Sure, they
> think, but it's a totally different process than how humans do it as they
> do not do it with a conscious mind. Again, here. Nothing is black nor
> white. Nor is the pot calling the kettle black. At least not in the way
> you are talking about.
> ^_^
> PS. If stating or publicizing my opinions of others' opinions is a crime,
> I am guilty as charged. But I will defnend my right to do so with my life
> if it came down to it. This is the USA. I know that you are a
> "soldier" so you probably understand that more than any civilian
> could.
I called it like I saw it, and the way I saw it was that you attacked everything he stood for. Yes you have the right to state your opinion and I have the right to state mine (with the minor detail of MaaMaw having approval authority over messages posted on this message board).
While you did not outright say anything negative directly about Steve Irwin you inserted opinion (stated as fact) about the way animals think in the middle of trying to protect him from other attackers. By doing so you indirectly gave the biggest insult possible (and I thought political attacks during a funeral where in poor taste).
Your opinion goes further to state that nobody knows how animals think, yet you tell me from the start that my opinion is dead wrong. I understand that the thought process of an animal is different from humans, but to say that they don't have thought is absurd. Half of the points you raised to defend your opinion are better suited for the argument that humans are the only self-aware species on the planet.
You may have "seen" his show but I doubt that you truly "watched" it, and I have to admit that on the first few times that I "saw" his show that I thought he was an Aussie version of Johnny Knoxville. On the other hand, I am convinced that Jeff Corwin is a jerk, with the difference being that Irwin would hold an animal with the intent of not hurting it while Corwin holds them with the intent of he wont let them hurt him - a subtle yet dangerous difference.
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