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Posted By: BenV In Response To: Steve Irwin was an anthropocentric piece of human excrement with no respect for animal rights! (Bluto ^_^)
Monday, 4 September 2006, at 10:40 p.m.
Ignoring the semi-common mistake of confusing aligators with crocs, I take offense to some of what you have stated.
> But more so, I really couldn't care less that he "invaded the
> space" of an animal. What's more aggravating to me is that someone
> thinks that they actually know what animals (non-human) are thinking or
> that they consciously think at all. Fact is, animals are not anything like
> humans because they lack a conscious mind. They only have a subconscious
> mind that directs them through their whole life. It's actually absurd to
> attribute human thoughts to non-human animals. It's actually borderline
> psychotic, actually. You can say that domesticated animals seem to have a
> conscious mind more so than wild animals. OK. I'll give you that.
> Sometimes cats and dogs do seem to have human attributes more than any
> wild animal could ever have. But you can't equate wild animals to
> domesticated pets. They are almost completely different seeing how wild
> animals must and do feed themselves where domestic animals, especially
> dogs, would die if no humans were around to feed them and take care of
> them. When it comes to brass tacks, a stray cat will live much longer and
> better than a stray dog.
You salute the guy for being an educator but you clearly never watched his show or many of the other animal shows made in the past decade. Many animals have shown beyond a doubt that they have intelligence. That is not the same as saying they are self-aware, but I don't want the above quote to slip through any cracks. One of the primary indications of intelligence is learning and learning requires thinking. While it is mostly mammals that exhibit learning, even great white sharks learn hunting patterns and seasons. As for your point about domesticated dogs starving, it is only because they have been trained to ignore their instincts. There are several studies about wild dog packs in urban environments that consist mainly of abandoned pets (too tired to find sources ATM).
The passion and respect Steve Irwin had for animals was true and embedded in his soul. I don't get how you can say that he did anything that didn't promote animal rights and conservation. I really don't understand how you can voice a negative opinion of him or his actions while clearly trying to berate others for doing the same. Is that one of those dialogues where the pot calls the kettle black or what?
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