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The Roadie's secrets

Posted By: the roadie <wcarton@flash.net>
Tuesday, 1 August 2006, at 9:45 p.m.

In Response To: In my opinion (DaveB)

> come to this forum and ask Bill Carton. I don't know how but he does it
> but he does..;o)

Nothing sooper-sekrit at all. For the benefit of lurkers and regulars, this was maybe ten minutes work with only three main tools. Google searching, a whois lookup tool for domain registrations, and in a couple of cases, looking at the HTML of the product ordering page. And a bit of luck. And trying and quickly discarding a dozen dead ends.

In many cases, the domain registration uses "domains by proxy" or some other registration anonymizing service. Legal, but frustrating if you don't come armed with a subpoena. The original site used an anonymizing service, but their hosting DNS was using the resources of "NS1.INSTANTDETECTIVE.NET"

So I figured the operators also owned INSTANTDETECTIVE.NET and that's a dodgy name for a domain, so I went to the site www.INSTANTDETECTIVE.NET. Yep. Suspicious. So I went to their "contact us" page http://instantdetective.net/contactus.php and looked at the original HTML source code to see if they used a hidden form to post email to them, and they did not. Email was hard-wired to be sent to the address "iresupport@adelphia.net".

Now we're getting somewhere because they let their cloaking shield of anonymity slip up. Run a goggle search on that address and you get one hit: http://de.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20060703164347AA1EHic where is gives the additional clue to look at the domain wesayes.com, except the original poster of that message misspelled it wesayyes.com, but no matter, it had a name and address, and the address "52 Apple Lane" led to a lot more hits on a Google search and the chase was on. The dog picture came from a boarding kennel in Vermont that used the names of the suspects in a testimonial. :-)

Not terribly difficult to do tracking like this, but hard to do quickly without practice seeing what clues are valid, and which ones are dead ends to abandon.

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