Oops. I mean "stuff", not "stiff"...DNO

> I'm not sure if it's acceptable to post this but...

> For some reason, I decided to search Google images for L Ron Hubbard and I
> came across a picture of his son which was from a website that republished
> a Penthouse magazine interview from 1983 with LR Hubbard's son.

> It's very long. I only read about 1/3 of it. Its pretty incredible the
> things that his son uncovers in that interview. Problem is, it's from
> Penthouse magazine so I don't know what to think about that.

> Some of it is just downright disturbing.

>
> http://www.lermanet.com/scientologynews/penthouse-LRonHubbardJr-interview-1983.htm

> Here are some examples of what's in the interview...

>

> L. Ron Hubbard, Jr., is a survivor. His appearance on earth, May 7, 1934,
> was the result of failed abortion rituals by his father, and Ron, after
> only six and a half months in the womb and at 2.2 pounds entered the
> world.

> Ron Jr. says that he remembers much of his childhood. He claims to recall,
> at six years, a vivid scene of his father performing an abortion ritual on
> his mother with a coat hanger. He remembers that when he was ten years
> old, his father, in an attempt to get his son in tune with his black-magic
> worship, laced the young hubbard's bubble gum with phenobarbital. Drugs
> were an important part of Ron Jr.'s growing up, as his father believed
> that they were the best way to get closer to Satan --the Antichrist of
> black magic.

> Ron Jr. also recalls a hard-drinking, drug-abusing father who would
> mistreat his mother and other women, but who, when, under the influence,
> would delight in telling his son all of his exploits. Finally, Ron Jr.
> remembers his father as a "broke science-fiction writer" who
> espoused that the road to riches and glory lay in selling religion to the
> masses.

> Penthouse: Did he encourage you to do drugs?

> Hubbard: Well, he used them with me. He was a real night person. We used
> to sit around all night, sit around his office or home, get loaded up, and
> talk. He had a pretty liquid tongue. He loved to talk. And of course, in
> the fifties, he decided that I was the heir apparent, so he wanted to
> teach me everything he knew. He started me out by mixing phenobarbital
> into my bubble gum, when I was ten years old.

> =====================

> Penthouse: Do you mean killed?

> Hubbard: Well, he didn't really want people killed, because how could you
> really destroy them if you just killed them? What he wanted to do was to
> destroy their lives, their families, their reputations, their jobs, their
> money, everything. My father was the type of person who, when it came to
> destruction, wanted to keep you alive for as long as possible, to torture
> you, punish you. If he chose to destroy you, he would love to see you
> lying in the gutter, strung out on booze and drugs, rolling in your own
> vomit, with your wife and children gone forever: no job, no money. He'd
> enjoy walking by and kicking you and saying to other people, "Look
> what I did to this man!" He's the kind of man who would pull the
> wings off flies and watch them stumble around. You see, this fits in with
> his Scientology beliefs, also. He felt that if you just died, your spirit
> would go out and get another body to live in. By destroying an enemy that
> way, you'd be doing him a favor. You were letting him out from under the
> thumb of L. Ron. Hubbard, you see?

> Pretty interesting, but considering the source, I don't know what to
> think.

> Of course, if it were not published by the p---o---r---n industry then it
> probably would never have been published according to the things his son
> said about things like that. He said they pretty much controlled the media
> so as to not let the truth leak out about Scientology.

> It was republished on a site that i similar to the clam bake site so I am
> guessing they think there is merit to it.

> Who knows. But it certainly is disturbing.

> In fact, so disturbing that if this were my forum, there would be no
> discussions of Scirntology or Hubbard. Maybe I'm overreacting? i don;t
> know.