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Posted By: Bob Baroner In Response To: Web Generation Software - Dynamic Content Router - DCR (JH)
Tuesday, 29 November 2005, at 1:59 p.m.
1. I saw you posted these same laments/questions on other forums. Be careful as some forum owners see this as spam for some reason. Just a warning.
2. Be careful of the warrior forum. I have been there on and off for 3 years and I can tell you that there are many slimy "salesman' on that forum and they all are protected by the mods as the mods do not like people posting negative experiences with other warriors or their products. They do this because they know that many folks would love to rip Aln Sys and other mods and guru frequenters there a new one in a big way. There was one fellow there from Greece (an American supposedly living in Greece) (who was using his wife's name for his business' purposes BTW) that was scamming folks right and left.
He then was made a moderator and continued to scam people, all the while not being touched by the mods. The mods did not want to hear anything about this guy being a scammer. So I took matters into my own hands, bought one of his WSOs on my credit card, found out some details about him, and started the ball rolling on his demise. "Oddly" enough, very soon after I started this ball rolling into his demise, he resigned as a mod and started his own forum.
Bottom line is that there are many folks there that are like this man and I urge anyone to either stay away from the warrior forum or proceed with utter caution. They protect scammers and scamming there. The only way they do not tolerate scammers and scamming is if one of the elites gets screwed by them. Then they do something about it.
> Can you imagine that? A software which doesn't do what it was built to do!
Yes, I can believe it. If you bought it on the warrior forum or through some slimy sales letter, I believe it wholeheartedly.
> As soon as I did that, would you believe that they started looking for all
> sorts of excuses to NOT REFUND MY PAYMENT of $185.
Again, very believable. Happens all the time.
> [quote]
> the deal in the warriors forum was over with when he bought, the refund
> policy in the warriors forum was only for that sale, not for purchases
> made after that are under the refund policy in TOS.
> http://www.webspace1.com/tos.html
> and we are sure too that stormpay or paypal will never accept a refund to
> a downloadable script
> [/quote]
Not true. In fact, if it was an intangible item, Paypal will always give the customer a refund. Not sure about StormPay as I have never used them. But Paypal really "screws" software seller, I must admit. What PayPal does is ask the seller for a tracking # knowing full well that the product was delivered digitally and did not have a tracking # for shipment. When the seller says they have no tracking # because it was delivered electronically, PayPal just grabs the money from their account and hands it back over to you.
WHAT YOU NEED TO DO...
1. First thing's first. Go to that thread for the WSO and save the OP. How to do this. When the first page of the thread is loaded on your browser, go to FILE > SAVE AS... then save the web page. But DO NOT save it as an HTM or HTML file. Save it as a .MHT file. A .MHT file is great as it takes all the graphics and what not and saves it into one convenient file for you. Then all you do is open the file and the page is there untouched with all the graphics and everything. Looks like you are viewing the page right from the forum. I am telling you to do this in case you are to dispute the charge with your credit card company which leads me to #2...
2. IF you paid with credit card funds and not from bank account funds, then do a chargeback. You have 60 days from the date of purchase to do this (some say it is 90 days, though). This is where the .MHT file comes in. If you do dispute the charge print out the MHT file to use as evidence for your dispute/being defrauded. I find that charges under $100 require nothing more than a call to the CC disputes department. They will remove the charge immediately. However, usually over $100 they will require you to fill out a form they will send you via the mail and send in all "supporting documents".
Sorry, I did not read every response to your post so sorry if I mentioned something that was already said.
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