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FIB - Scams 101 - Ye Olde Archives
Posted By: dave murphy In Response To: Re: Mach 90 (Bill Carton - the Roadie)
Saturday, 12 November 2005, at 6:33 p.m.
So in effect its a pyramid scheme, with a product no one really wants to give it bsome form of legitimacy.
> I'm *very* familiar with them. Mostly when I get their spamming members
> terminated. :-)
> Mach 90 (along with $1.67 a Day) is what's called a downline building club
> for the Juvio MLM opportunity. Juvio is a legitimate operation with
> various real products such as PC tech support subscription service,
> training videos, nutritional stuff, etc. At least they have products. And
> they have an active anti-spam staff who applies a decent no-spam policy
> when violators get reported to them.
> They had a HORRIBLE problem for about two years when Philippine members
> would harvest, trade, or sell address lists and send what's called blind
> spam. Spam were you had to reply to an email address to get more
> information. And their defense was that since they never mentioned Juvio
> in the FIRST email, then it wasn't spam.
> Well, we're not so easily fooled. Of course it's spam - we call it
> two-stage spam. And Juvio would terminate members who did this. Except the
> spam-tracking investigator (like me) would have to sting the email dropbox
> to see who was BEHIND the spamming. Anyway, I do this, and Juvio
> terminated a few dozen members, and now they have almost no problem
> because the word spread. A FIB member was instrumental in sending me
> copies of their spam, and a LOT of it traced back to Juvio members.
> So if you first heard of this operation by spam, please make sure to NEVER
> sign up under that member and enrich them.
> So what's Mach90? A lot of teams found out that the way to motivate and
> scare people into upgrading from a free membership to the paid kind was to
> put them into one big honkin' downline called a powerline. Everybody lines
> up in a single file, and the trick is that the operation has an upgrade
> deadline. If you upgrade in time (every two weeks is a typical period),
> then you jump ahead of everybody who didn't upgrade. If they upgrade
> later, you own a piece of their revenue. It's a powerful upgrade tactic,
> that of fear of losing out. Of course, you never know how much you'd be
> losing out on, but a certain group of people are powerfully motivated by
> fear that everybody else is getting rich online EXCEPT THEM!
> Mach90 is a team that administers this powerline concept, and charges a
> fee on top of the monthly Juvio fee. Many of the members then start
> spamming, but some don't. I'm not entirely sure how anybody is successful
> at this crap without resorting to spamming, but the claim is that many are
> doing OK. Of course, in the Philippines, an extra $50 a month is
> fantastic! In the US, it's not usually worth 10-20 hours a week harvesting
> addresses, running the risk that the Roadie is going to sting you, and
> then you lose it all, for the chance of making a few bucks extra.
> If you want to learn more about the mother ship opportunity, check out
> www.juvio.com.
> The loophole in your example is that a lot of folks sign up for a month or
> two, then drop out because they don't make their monthly fee back fast
> enough from growing their own downline, and they simply don't HAVE $35 a
> month to invest. Churn is a tremendous problem when people don't really
> need the products being offered, and they're in it for the expansion only.
> There's something in the Philipino culture that makes them especially
> gullible for this sort of stuff. Which is fine as long as they're not
> abusing the Internet to do it.
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