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Posted By: Larry Foster <blackstonecap@yahoo.com>
Wednesday, 16 March 2005, at 5:25 a.m.

In Response To: Re: How do I stop calls from MLMers?(Long Rant incl) (The Roadie)

Hi, Roadie and thanks for the valuable info. The last one was kind enough to give me a little info on the source of their list.
"I was told that the list I was calling from was of a group of people who had attended a generic network marketing training of some kind. Since your name was on that list, you maybe either attended that function or inquired about it, and your name got put on this list on your request to get information about opportunities. It could have been over a year ago. Unfortunately, I was also told that names cannot be removed.
This is not the source of the list, but Tracy Biller is one of the people who finds these lists so he might be able to help you out.
http://tracybiller.com/ Your name was on the "platinum list".

> Ahhhh, but if you were in it once, to their point of view, you're in it
> forever. If you're not working a program now, it's just because they
> haven't been able to pitch theirs to you yet. Again, I know you're annoyed
> - but from their trained point of view, persistence is everything.

Ah yes. Once a network marketer, always a network marketer. Just the wrong opportunity. I know of one guy who, at last count, had failed at 13 but this one's different.
> That's actually an exemption in the telemarketing regulations. Annoyhing
> one, to say the least. Thank the DMA for that.

Gotta love the DMA. They are also responsible for a lot of problems with Can-Spam that affect legitimate e-mail marketers.

> If it's published anywhere on the net or in a business directory as a
> business number, then you would not prevail in a lawsuit. They're still
> scum for pushing so hard, but isn't that what many MLM operations train
> the members to do?
It probably is published. I use this number for my print advertising but no directories that I know of, but who knows.I do opt in to stuff but very few business opportunities.

> Send me a few if you can guarantee they're spam. After a few of 'em lose
> their email accounts or web sites, word might spread that spamming you is
> bad for THEIR business. Make sure to preface any emails with something
> that says I asked you to send them, to make sure I don't cost the wrong
> person their account. :-)
How do I get this info to you? If you prefer not to publish it here, you can send it to my throwaway address:blackstonecap AT Yahoo.
Do you want the viagra, love match,and porn,too?

> So the crooks are ignoring CAN-SPAM? I'm shocked, I tell you.....SHOCKED!
> LOL!
Can-Spam is worthless. DMA will influence this to the detriment to legitimate marketers.

> One of the last guys I offered to help here said he didn't know me from a
> hole in the wall. As a reference, here is a posting from a network admin's
> newsgroup where I was able to post about a domain disconnection project
> where the spamming customer lost 806 domains from GoDaddy at once.

Your credibility is not an issue with me. I have seen you on here since I started frequenting FIB.
> http://groups-beta.google.com/group/news.admin.net-abuse.email/msg/f84467db4bb4c267?dmode=source

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