Re: Ya kinda set yourself up, dude. :)

Jimbo -

Thanks for the input, Jimbo. Susan, too.

> It's still in the glowing "we have to get 100,000
> members" stage!!!

As far as I can tell, 100,000 is simply a "goal" of YMMSS, not a "need"...

>So they're getting suckers to buy into a program
> that's supposed to be about advertising (doesn't say WHAT they'll be
> advertising)

That's pretty loaded language, Jimbo. The advertising business advertises whatever its clients pay for, right? TVs, shoes, ISPs, books, travel, autos, tampax, whatever... Hey - What does Ebay advertise?

>and guarantees a $100,000/year from the program.

I can't find a guarantee of $100,000/yr. Where did you find that?

> Well, Frank, ol' galloot... the SEC wouldn't be involved in that because,
> y'see, they're only involved with the big guys who are on the stock market
> registry. So of course you won't find any of that.

"The primary mission of the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC) is to protect investors ..." - http://www.sec.gov/about/whatwedo.shtml

What I'm seeking is solid evidence of wrongdoing, fraud or criminality, not just opinion and speculation.

> And then you say "or ANY criticism from a person who grasps the YMMSS
> business model with clarity" -- and set it up so that anyone who says
> "golly, that's a whole crock of horse apples" is dismissed with
> a "they don't understand the business model!"

I just see folks slamming YMMSS without consideration of it's long-term vision. Personally, I'm inclined to cut 'em some slack and give 'em time in order to develop their retail advertising business. That takes time. Real businesses take time. It's just that simple.

What do sucessful investors do in all markets? Put up money BEFORE the success, not afterwards... based on calculated risk.

> Frank, it's been tried before. In fact it was one of the early
> "hot" models here in cyberspace about 6 years ago. We had a lot
> of people sign up to "read" these things and to "surf"
> to the connected pages. Heck, I did some of it myself. And the companies
> VERY quickly found out that paying surfers to go to their site did NOT
> mean that the surfers went there to buy. They went there to collect their
> clicky-doodle money. Everybody got about $10.00 and then the whole thing
> collapsed.

Thst's a different model - I watched that one come and go, too...

> Ya notice they keep changing their "cycle time"? That's a sign
> of what we here in the South say as "that dog won't hunt."
> http://www.workathomenetwork.com/scam-or-not-updates.htm

At least this guy is tracking ongoing developments, but as he says "time will tell" and
"We shall see".

I've launched several businesses in my time and currently own three, one of which currently nets near $100k/ yr. online. So I've learned to handle business hiccups and bumps in the road by taking them in stride, as I suppose the YMMSS folks are doing right now...

> Like the analysis here:
> http://www.matrixwatch.org/forums/showthread.php?t=2032&highlight=ymmss

Phooey!

Nothing of substance in that tired, old thread, IMHO. Just a decidedly negative bias and passive-aggressive pot shots.

An advertising business takes TIME to set up and develop. Let's wait and see how it flies. Geez, didn't Edison spend years on the electric light, trying over 10,000 combinstions before tungston?

The posters on thst board would have torn Edison to shreds - and Galileo, Columbus, Tesla and Bell, too.

"Suspicion is the easiest weapon to wield and is the chosen tool of the lazy."

I'm looking not for speculative "opinions", "suspicions" and "beliefs" about YMMSS, but for documented EVIDENCE of wrongdoing, fraud or so-called "scam".

The cycle time fluctuations are a current concern, for sure, but even if they hit 180 days, where else can we get this kind of business performance twice a year?

If I can join YMMSS for under $25, then why not do it, then wait and see... ? What's the big deal?

It's just a matter of time, eh? And the risk/return ration seems too good to ignore, as I see it.

> But... I'm sure you've seen it. In fact, I'm pretty sure you've already
> joined and are cruising around for members.

Nope, not yet.

And that kinda talk doesn't feel so good to a newbie like me, Jimbo. No need for harshness and suspicion. I just want to dig up hard facts, if they exist. So far, the cycle times are the major concerns, but those are understandable in a developing model. They do not necessarily indicate, IMO, that "the end is near", but that growth has spawned a problem which needs attention.

> Oh, heck. Go spend your money. We won't stop you. But we will tell you
> that the 100,000 people won't materialize and that the ciriticisms voiced
> by Dreamer in that link are spot on, and that the continually increasing
> "cycle time" already points to huge problems and that it'll
> collapse within the year.

Again, speculation - But if you can guarantee your bold projections, then let's go into business day trading, OK?

As I see it, we are not psychics. We have no crystals balls. As in all business, "Ya buys, your tick, and ya takes your chance.

I've day traded derivatives and commodities futures options. I understand "risk", but thanks for your words, anyway.

> But it's not OUR money. It's YOUR money. If you want to stand out in the
> middle of the field and set $20 bills on fire, heck, we're not going to
> stop you.

Again, not a kind attitude, IMO. Ennuendo and speculation do not impress me.

The ONLY way to profit in business is thru calculated risk. Period. I proved this to myself in my years as a stockbroker.

If y'all can't help me find solid EVIDENCE against YMMSS, then all I can say is "Thanks for your time and attention, and I wish you success in your ventures".

- Frank

"If you limit your actions in life to things that nobody can possibly find fault with, you will not do much." - Lewis Carroll

"Only those who will risk going too far can possibly find out how far one can go." - T.S. Eliot