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My Opinion

Posted By: Tom Brownsword <tbrownsword@hotmail.com>
Monday, 24 January 2005, at 7:19 p.m.

In Response To: Re: For anyone who thinks I and the other moderators sometimes go overboard.... (Joohn)

A former pastor of mine once said that "You must stand for something -- or you will fall for anything." On this board, you know where MaaMaw stands, and she isn't about to fall anytime soon. I recommend that you go over to Network54 and start your own forum.

MaaMaw's mission statement basically says that she's going to protect people from themselves. Without passing judgment on your biz opp, any ad for an opp that plays to the emotions sets off warning bells in my head. Most people seeking an "opp" are desperate, making them easy targets for an emotional appeal. I know it, you know it, and your "opp" knows it -- and you also know that not everyone will be successful. And when you add several thousand dollars worth of debt to "desperation", it isn't pretty. These opps precisely target these individuals -- and these are the people that need the most protection. And from what I've seen of most of them, they mostly consisit of finding other needy people to help. So you're selling a concept -- and not anything tangible. Hey, it's great that you want to help people, but the wallet is one burden that's easy to carry. So carry on, MaaMaw.

"In order to ensure that only serious people sign up for our opportunity, you'll have to pay $5,000 up front to show your sincerity." Gag. Choke. If you have enough confidence in me, and if I have enough confidence in your system, why not pay the up-front costs yourself (hey, you're successful, right? You can afford it) in exchange for a small percentage of the lifetime profits? Of course, how do you know that I'm serious if I don't put up a wad of cash at the start? Money talks, but so do other things. Figure it out for yourself.

In a period of "desperation", I was once ready to fork over $5,000 for one of those opps, but thankfully my wife, who has completely different interests, basically told me that I was nuts (and, as the Book of Proverbs says, there is much wisdom in many counselors. Sure, don't listen to the naysayers, but you'd better listen to those you know, love, and trust). I found this board shortly thereafter and hope that my posts make people to think before they pull out their credit card, whether the "opp" cost $5.00 or $5,000.

Network54 allows anyone to start their own forum. Why not go there and start one? You can then be as open-minded and understanding as you want.

Free speech? Who pays the hosting fees for this board? Can you put your ad in the local paper without paying? Nope, it's not free...and besides, considering all of the sweat equity, time, and money that she has poured into this website over the years, she is more than allowed to exercise editorial control over it and decide what gets publicity and what does not. The only person on this site that has free speech is MaaMaw. The rest of us will always be subject to the editor's eraser.

You have a choice here: the FIB-way or the highway.

Thanks for taking the time to read my highly opinionated post. And thanks for taking the time to stop whining about not being able to post about anything and everything, even if what you want to post about is trustworthy, loyal, helpful, friendly, courteous, kind, obedient, cheerful, thrifty, brave, clean, and reverent...

Grrrrrrr,
Tom

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