Re: Okay, I've heard the NEGATIVITY word used a lot today.....

private courier is like Fed Ex, UPS Etc. The delivery goes to Miami, Florida
the contract is that you have 3 days to resind and get your money back

I prefer to substitute REALISM and LOGIC and just plain COMMON SENSE.

> When I was scammed out of a whole bunch of thousands of dollars, I didn't
> have any of those things -- and I didn't have much NEGATIVITY either. I
> blame no one but myself for the stupid things I did and the money I threw
> in Mr. Toilet.

> I wish I'd had a place like this to come and ask questions, and read
> opinions both negative and positive, and see the bad with the good. (Of
> course there were places like this, I'm sure, but I was new on the
> internet and I didn't know which end was up, down, or sideways... and
> anyhow, I hadn't developed a HEALTHY SENSE OF NEGATIVITY yet, so I doubt I
> would have listened.)

> That's why we present the bad with the good here --

> and unfortunately, sometimes we just can't find the good so we present
> only the bad and that makes some people accuse us of being NEGATIVE.

> But it's our JOB (gotta hate that word!) to save people from making the
> same mistakes many of us have made. It's a dirty job, but somebody's gotta
> do it.

> Yes, everyone has to make his or her own decision... don't follow
> "Your Fearful Leader" like obedient little lemmings... but get
> the dollar signs out of your eyeballs and *THINK* before you dole out your
> hard-earned cash, that's all I'm suggesting.

> Kim, I have been nothing but polite to you. I realize a couple of things I
> said were offensive, and I have apologized. I actually think you believe
> in what you're doing -- and I'm not sure you even realize yet that it's a
> classic pyramid and that nobody is selling products to the general public
> but to more distributors and more distributors and more distributors.

> How you choose to make your money is your own business -- but I would
> rather you *not* promote the opportunity on this board please.

> FOR ANYONE CONSIDERING THIS BUSINESS:

> I went to the corporate site and dug deeper.

> The ORDER FORM (for the product the company is selling) asks for your
> "Associate ID# or Customer ID#" and it says "both ID # are
> the same" (which sounds to me like the distributors are the
> customers, but I could be wrong).

> It says your "Independent Distributor ID (Associate ID) or Customer
> ID" (remember, both are the same) "can be obtained by
> registering online first" (sounds to me like there's only one
> registration process, which leads one to believe the customer is the
> distributor and the distributor is the customer, but I could be wrong).

> I also noticed that the "purchase price of the PASSPORT TO
> PROSPERITY" is payable in full by the Purchaser at the time of the
> "execution of this Contract" (that seems odd; I, as a customer,
> have never been asked to execute a contract unless I'm buying something on
> credit) --

> and (here's the corker) -- the purchase price "is to be forwarded via
> private courier."

> *PRIVATE* *COURIER*

> Don't they have mail service in Panama?? (You did know they're in Panama,
> right? That's why the guy on the phone started hyperventilating when the
> caller asked, "Where are you incorporated?")

> Okey dokey, this has been my understanding in the past with other
> companies (although I admit I don't know about this particular company):

> Some companies that stay just one step ahead of the law like to exchange
> money through private courier services because it avoids the pesky problem
> of Postal Fraud, which can be a very serious problem indeed.

> It's very expensive to deliver things by private courier, but strangely,
> when I watched the movie, I noticed they said, "You're offering 600
> million people on the web the opportunity to receive thousands of dollars
> DELIVERED RIGHT TO THEIR DOOR."

> Do they mean by private courier?

> That seems odd (but I could be wrong).

> Okay, about that movie. It moved so fast I had trouble following it. I
> couldn't see very well either, because I had dollar signs in my eyes (I
> guess because they flashed on the screen so often). I did manage to take a
> few notes though:

> "you can literally earn a thousand dollars or more before this night
> is over"

> "your power profit system finds all the people for you"

> "closes all of your prospects without ever having to answer any
> questions"

> "delivers thousands of dollars immediately to your door"

> About John (who is really raking in the bucks), it said he decided to try
> "one minimal exposure" (which is "an extremely fast way to
> jumpstart your business"), and then it goes on to say, "You can
> make three to seven thousand dollars in one week or even in one day, as
> that's usually the case."

> Gadzooks, no wonder they're using a private courier instead of the U.S.
> Postal Service! They aren't making actual income "guarantees,"
> and they have a disclaimer on the site, but gollywhiz, that sounds about
> as close as anybody can get to an income guarantee without jumping off a
> cliff.

> John went from $5,000 his first two days to nearly $30,000 in just two
> weeks by signing up seven people, but "all you really need is three
> people."

> They forgot to mention that your three people usually *won't* do what they
> need to do to "create a domino effect so powerful it will put more
> cash in your bank account than you ever dreamed possible." (It's
> human nature, especially among "opportunity seekers").

> Nope, after wasting my entire morning on this, it doesn't seem like a
> rock-solid opportunity to me (but this is just my personal opinion; I
> could certainly be wrong) -- and it doesn't seem like an opportunity that
> requires "real work." It seems like an opportunity for people
> who want to do absolutely nothing except answer the doorbell when the
> private courier rings (every day) (packing another few thousand bucks).

> I'm not saying you aren't working your butt off, Kim -- I'm talking about
> the typical "opportunity seeker" who is going to buy into this.

> I wouldn't touch this with a ten-foot pole, but that's just me. I don't
> doubt it works for some people, and it might even work for me -- but as
> much as I need the money, I don't need it that much.

> ENDING WITH QUESTION FOR ANYBODY WHO KNOWS:

> I have a very, very hard time understanding just about any kind of
> "compensation plan" unless it's straight commission or an hour's
> pay for an hour's work. I'm not trying to badmouth their compensation
> plan... *I am sincerely ASKING someone (anyone) to explain this to me:

> They said John makes two qualifying sales which go to his mentor.

> Then he makes his third sale and gets his first $1,000 -- let's say his
> third sale is to Chucko the Clown.

> So Chucko makes his first two qualifying sales (to Tom and Jerry), and
> those two payments go to John. Chucko starts making money on his third
> sale.

> Okay, so Tom and Jerry get two sales each -- that would be to Donald,
> Huey, Duey, and Luey.

> Here's where I get confused (sincerely confused, I'm not being
> "negative")...

> They said John gets the money from Tom and Jerry's.... then he gets the
> money from the first two sales Donald, Huey, Duey, and Luey make, and this
> goes on "to infinity."

> Why doesn't Chucko get the money from the first two sales Tom and Jerry
> make?

> When does Chucko step into infinity?

> How far can $1,000 be split??

> I sense this it going to make me look really stupid, but I don't get it
> and would love to have it cleared up once and for all (no higher math
> please).

> Luv,