Re: I agree with Sunlil

1. Their domain name sucks. I have looked at their site 3 times now, and
> each time can't remember whether it's bigdaddy.com bigdaddysearch.com
> searchbigdaddy.com

Troy Warren President Reply: What's in a name? LOTS for sure. BigDaddy.Com is Big Men's clothing and GoDaddy.Com registers domains. We were NOT and NEVER were trying to steal GoDaddy's thunder and recognition. They are NOT in the search game. Enough said here.

And they're also working off the name recognition of the registrar, Godaddy.com. It's close enough that it "triggers" a "Oh yes. I've heard of them" response in a lot of people.

In addition, they're using a name that Google is also using. This, IMHO, is just plain stupid: http://blog.searchenginewatch.com/blog/060202-112230

> 2. They are using Smart CGIs script. While I have nothing against this
> script (I even bought a copy of an earlier version myself), I doubt it
> scales to big sites.

Troy Warren President Reply: When we were first programming our engine over 15 months ago, we used that script for testing. We have long since graduated to industrial strength proprietary software that is patent pending.

This is SO true! What it means is that they will have trouble if they grow beyond a certain size.

Troy Warren President Reply: We can currently take 100 times more searching than what is occurring. We are set for the long haul with a great network and several seasoned PhD's in computer science that SPEACIALIZE in search and networking. Makes me wonder when the last time you performed a search at SearchBigDaddy.Com?

> 3. And by the way the fact they are using an off-the-shelf script, means
> they have no real technical advantage as compared to any other search
> engine.
Troy Warren President Reply: Answered above.

In fact, they have a distinct disadvantage. Folks use Google over many other search engines because you tend to get back good results (and spam and offtopic sites get filtered out.) To run the complex searches and algorithmns, Google and MSN and Yahoo have huge banks of computers and a lot of coders on staff.

Troy Warren President Reply: Most people have long forgotten the early days of GOOGLE starting in a garage. Problems were aplenty every day. Their network was UP and then it was DOWN. I experienced them from the very first days. And if you had too, yes you would be critical of them as well.

Google's Bigdaddy will run at ... http://www.google.com. So it's not going to pick up or get anything from searchbigdaddy.com.

> 5. I tried a search yesterday and got some of their results and some
> results from another search engine as the backfill. Later the backfill
> disappeared which means most searches give very few or no results (I
> wonder if the other search engine whose results they were using for
> backfill blocked them). Now try a search, and you don't get anything
> except a maintenance page.

Troy Warren President Reply: YES indeed we have been upgrading over the last two weeks constantly. We are in touch with our Affiliates almost on a daily basis with the TRUTH. No more maintenance pages NOW, as we are done migrating to the new search platform. The search is as FAST as GOOGLE or Yahoo. Of course you may NOT know this, but all of the TOP search engines STILL to this day pull results from the world's largest OPEN DIRECTORY dmoz.org AND they
can manipulate those listings.

I got that this morning. I did get to their "keywords" page, and discovered it was full of single sites and 404 pages.

Then I discovered that the company may be a one man operation.

Troy Warren President Reply: If I was the ONLY one here, than it would have long ago been crushed. We have over 10 employees and very shortly that number is growing to over 30. If anyone were close enough to the company they would know that, but facts get scattered and thrown about to the point where they are not even close to the mark.

Alexa ranking can be boosted by a number of cheats, so I don't know that I'd take the numbers very seriously. They also don't own their own nameservers or webserver... meaning that the efficiency of any search is going to be limited by the number of people searching there.

Troy Warren President Reply: Are you suggesting that we know how to cheat the ALEXA toolbar? Sounds like you claim to know how to do that. And if so, do you have any Web sites that rank in the top 2000 of ALEXA consistently?

> 10. All those $50 free ad blocks will have to get used up before they can
> start earning real money from advertising. I wonder how long that will
> take given that few people would actually want to use their search (point
> 2 and 4 for example) in real work.

Troy Warren President Reply: Many Affiliates are already making THOUSANDS here, so there is some misunderstanding you have about our program. No one has to WAIT as you suggest for the $50 in PPC currency to be used up.

More than that, who searches PPC products only? This has all the business model sense of the old FFA ad sites (free for all ad sites, where you could put up an ad free.) We've seen this business model before (paying people to search for you) and it usually flops within 6 months.

Troy Warren President Reply: We have already done a soft launch of our BLOG community BlogLanding.Com. We will be giving 10's of thousands of BLOGS away in addition to Call Center activity bringing Brick and Mortar businesses into our search engine by the thousands. Most of what I see here is speculation on the part of others. Which is dangerous potentially guiding people on hunches that turn out to be a hoax.

> 11. I doubt they have enough money to spend on advertising $ to establish
> themselves in the public's conscience.

Troy Warren President Reply: Another statement that is so far from the truth. Hundred's of thousands of dollars have gone into this development project. Again it just confirms that these forums can get on run away trains.

Agreed... and there is that little issue of swiping Google's name.

I think it's going to be a great little moneymaker for the owner for about 6 months and won't do much for anyone else.

Troy Warren President Reply: We have had advertiser after advertiser tell us how much traffic they have received and making more sales than ever before. I am not here to try and convince you. Rather you would have a better thread here IF you included the EARLY days of Yahoo, GOOGLE, AOL, and MSN. In fact, last week Yahoo was offline for almost two hours. Imagine that, a multi-billion dollar giant UNREACHABLE for almost two hours. I have NEVER stated we would ever be the next GOOGLE. I am CLEAR that I tell people that I cannot tell them that, because I don't know whether it is true or not. However, I know that even if Search Big Daddy were in the TOP 50 search engines in the world, and you were an advertiser, I would find it hard to believe you would be upset with that prospect. Search Big Daddy offers an opportunity to GET IN and claim keywords and positions BEFORE the rest of the cattle herd comes. And they are coming. Many were upset that they did not take GOOGLE seriously when they were young. Most don't even know what the name GOOGLE means and where it came from. I do BECAUSE our team does our homework thoroughly BEFORE stepping out.

> And they're also working off the name recognition of the registrar,
> Godaddy.com. It's close enough that it "triggers" a "Oh
> yes. I've heard of them" response in a lot of people.

> In addition, they're using a name that Google is also using. This, IMHO,
> is just plain stupid: http://blog.searchenginewatch.com/blog/060202-112230

> This is SO true! What it means is that they will have trouble if they grow
> beyond a certain size.

> In fact, they have a distinct disadvantage. Folks use Google over many
> other search engines because you tend to get back good results (and spam
> and offtopic sites get filtered out.) To run the complex searches and
> algorithmns, Google and MSN and Yahoo have huge banks of computers and a
> lot of coders on staff.

> Google's Bigdaddy will run at ... http://www.google.com. So it's not going
> to pick up or get anything from searchbigdaddy.com.

> I got that this morning. I did get to their "keywords" page, and
> discovered it was full of single sites and 404 pages.

> Then I discovered that the company may be a one man operation. Alexa
> ranking can be boosted by a number of cheats, so I don't know that I'd
> take the numbers very seriously. They also don't own their own nameservers
> or webserver... meaning that the efficiency of any search is going to be
> limited by the number of people searching there.

> More than that, who searches PPC products only? This has all the business
> model sense of the old FFA ad sites (free for all ad sites, where you
> could put up an ad free.) We've seen this business model before (paying
> people to search for you) and it usually flops within 6 months.

> Agreed... and there is that little issue of swiping Google's name.