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Re: Another Hidden Issue Here

Posted By: Sandi Moses
Tuesday, 14 February 2006, at 1:15 p.m.

In Response To: Another Hidden Issue Here (Tom Brownsword)

> If it turns out that an autosurf company is legitimate and was forced out
> of business due to StormPay freezing their account, it could get real
> interesting, Terms of Service notwithstanding.

From what I understand, each business applying to use StormPay has always been required to submit their business plan/model to StormPay before they are accepted. StormPay, to the best of my knowledge approved of all of the autosurfs that use them. Supposedly the autosurfs have that in writing, so it would be kinda hard for StormPay to claim ignorance.

> At this point, from my perspective, it looks like StormPay resorted to
> extreme trickery to bring the autosurf industry to its knees. And I don't
> care what the circumstances are, two wrongs do NOT make a right. StormPay
> abused its power here, and regardless of the outcome of the autosurf
> situation, StormPay should be publicly punished -- and severely -- for
> resorting to this dirty trick.

> My reaction? I will only use StormPay when absolutely necessary in the
> future (even if it means lost sales) and will ensure that I do not carry a
> balance there. I don't need a bunch of vigilantes holding my money
> hostage. I respectfully suggest that others here that do business with
> StormPay review the situation (don't just take my word for it -- do your
> own research) and make the decision that is best for your business.

I promptly took them off my "Stop Stinky Feet" site.

> Just my personal, biased, completely uninformed subjective opinion,
> Tom

> DISCLAIMER: Good post by MaaMaw -- don't join an autosurf thinking that
> you're going to get rich. I have joined one autosurf, which I will not
> name here, and have purchased only a small upgrade. I did this because I
> am experimenting with alternate forms of traffic generation and also out
> of sheer curiosity. And that program was the only one that, to me, seemed
> even remotely legitimate. My primary motivation (other than curiosity)
> was to advertise one of my sites there and track responses to see if
> people actually responded to the ads. So while I think that an autosurf
> program COULD have a legitimate purpose, almost all of the ones I
> researched seemed to be Ponzi-oriented and a waste of time.

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