REFRESH to rotate MAAMAW'S CLICKY NOTES thru this space..... Timely Tips, Best of the Boards & More



You'll find great information in this "Read Only" Archive, but remember..... things change.
Be sure to visit the Current Message Board when you're finished here.

We're very friendly, so don't be shy... just jump right in and post your question.
Scams outnumber legitimate biz ops about a bzillion to one, so it's well worth your time.


| View Thread | Return to Index | Read Prev Msg | Read Next Msg |

FIB - Scams 101 - Ye Olde Archives

Re: E-Commerce Package

Posted By: Mel. White
Friday, 2 December 2005, at 2:43 p.m.

In Response To: E-Commerce Package (nath)

Ah, migrations. This is another name for "Job Security."

> I'm starting a new job on Monday and my first task would be to research
> companies that offers e-commerce package off-the-shelf that we could
> purchase.

Depends on what they want, actually.

> One factor of consideration is that the maintenance aspect
> should be fairly easy (no full-time IT required).

Hah. And again, I say "hah."

Seriously. Having this kind of functionality means you have to have a geek around who knows servers and server programming. If the whole thing goes *kablooey*, you need someone on the spot to get in and get their keyboards busy. You don't need to be sitting on the phone with the server hosting company AND the shopping cart company, trying to figure out why your applications are misbehaving while you've got irate customers on the phone.

Also, databases that are large and active have a habit of developing troubles. You need someone onsite who does regular *DAILY* backups (and burns them to tape or CD and archives them in a proper rotation. You really will need this because Disasters Happen.) Databases also lose indexes, get full of junk and need reorganizing on a regular basis and so forth.

Database reorg is boring but necessary. Someone has to run the reorg and then sit there and watch the silly machines to make sure there's no power spike or other problem that crashes the database.

> My new employer is a multimedia delivery firm. They go to conferences,
> seminars, workshops and record them for associations. Members could
> purchase these conferences, seminars, workshops in the form of tapes, CDs,
> DVDs. The company would take orders and ship these products directly.

For this, actually any shopping cart would do. You could do it with PayPal's shopping cart, but you'd probably like something more like Amazon.com has.

> Right now the site is functional but needs a complete makeover (for one,
> style-wise, it's poor).

(g) Think of this as "job stability."

> The customer data is stored in FileMaker. The plan
> is to move everything (CRM) online (my other duty is web-based project
> management).

I've been involved with this sort of migration before. It's not pretty and it requires a lot of planning. The *real* beast that will sneak up and bite you will be the various database designs. For instance, your company may need some sort of tracking number (in our case, the commercial package had a tracking number that was 8 digits long. We needed 10 digits. The software company rewrote things for us, but that cost money.)

The FileMaker file could be full of data problems (for example: to humans "Rockridge DR" and "ROCKRIDGE DR" and "rockridge dr" are all the same thing. But they are NOT the same to a computer.) No offense, but if it was set up by someone at the company (and not one of us hoary old geeks who have been programming since Moses was a corporal), it's undoubtedly a real mess.

Synchronizing the old data with the new package can be very time-consuming, depending on how many records there are.

And then there's the issue of security. Remember, this is the Age of the Hacker and cracking-and-snatching databases can be pretty common. People are giving you their credit card numbers, so you need to be a real hardliner about security. I don't know what kinds of inherent file security Filemaker has, but I'm a suspicious old bat and I don't want any live databases just hanging around on Internet waiting for the latest Scriptkiddie to have fun with it.

I like my databases firewalled (preferably with redundant servers).

> Also, to have the site interactive and direct customers to
> downloadable links (for the conferences, seminars, workshops) in order to
> reduce the physical shipping (of tapes, CDs, DVDs).

Great idea, really!

> Any pointers to where I should start looking for the off-the-shelf
> e-commerce package? I have to start doing the research early next week.

You need to sit down and ask a few questions of them before doing research:

1) How big is their current database/databases? What's the size (gigabytes or megabytes) and how many records are in it?
2) What's the record structure (write it down on a piece of paper. If it's just one big file, prepare to flinch because it's going to not be a very consistant file. (I've cleaned these things up before. Not pretty.))
3) What kind of things do they need in a shopping cart? (email order confirmation? automatic shipping charges calculated?
4) What kind of things would they like to add in the future?
5) What kinds of reports do they need from this software (note: this is where things will also sneak up and bite you. Find out what marketing needs as well as what the company has to report (to, say, IRS) and what accounting needs... and THEN find out what management needs.)

For the shopping cart software:
1) ask about security measures. Ask about "record locking" features and "multiple security levels."
2) Ask how many concurrent users (in other words, if you have 8,000 people all trying to access and order the same prodcut (I'm not kidding... like Woot's "bag of c.r.a.p" offers where they WILL get that kind of traffic) -- will it still hold up?
3) Ask to see THEIR database structure (warning: there's a number of them who will say "oh, ANYthing you like!" This means you're getting a database engine and YOU have to set it up. This isn't an "out of the box and ready to run" package, no matter what the salesbeing tells you.)
4) Find out where it sends the records/how it stores them. I'm guessing that most of them will be SQL engines, meaning you may have to dump to ASCII (oy!) and import into Filemaker.
5) When you find a shopping cart, get several volunteers to try it. Have them go to a site (no training) and say "make a purchase." Then get their feedback (what did they like, what was confusing, what did they hate)

I bet your eyes are kinda crossed right now.

Ask questions, as you need to. I won't think this is silly/amateur/dumb. I have gone through several migrations and I know just how complicated and hairpulling it can be.

Take a deep breath... this is do-able.

But the FIRST thing you need to do is quickly become an expert on the setup of the databases at the company.

And meanwhile, I'm still at cyberwizard at spamcop dot net. You can email if you like. :)

Messages in This Thread

Have you read MAAMAW'S CLICKY NOTES today?
Excuse me... You MISSED them??
At the top o' the page in the blue bars (sheesh!).

| View Thread | Return to Index | Read Prev Msg | Read Next Msg |

FIB - Scams 101 - Ye Olde Archives is maintained with WebBBS 3.11.


You'll find great information in this "Read Only" Archive, but remember..... things change.
Be sure to visit the Current Message Board when you're finished here.

We're very friendly, so don't be shy... just jump right in and post your question.
Scams outnumber legitimate biz ops about a bzillion to one, so it's well worth your time.



NOTICE TO SCUMBEEZLES
(you know who you are... you scream "Foul!" when the truth comes out)
        PLEASE READ THIS LEGAL NOTICE CAREFULLY BEFORE YOU FILE A LAWSUIT OR EVEN WASTE TIME THINKING ABOUT IT.  It has been done before, but never successfully.  In fact, the last dodobird who tried it ended up being ordered to pay more than $77,000 in attorney fees ($65,000+ to my attorneys and $12,000+ to my co-defendant's legal advisor).
        If your attorney is worth his salt, he's going to tell you that the expense of filing a lawsuit you can't win is a whole lot worse than any "damages" resulting from messages posted on this insignificant little chunk of cyberspace.
        NEWS FLASH:  I didn't just climb down off that ol' turnip truck yesterday.  I'm well aware that expressing a negative opinion, relating one's personal experience, and restating provable facts are all legal in this country and do not constitute libel, slander, or defamation -- so you don't want to play games with me, and you sure don't want to start something you aren't prepared to finish.  I don't take threats lightly, and I don't accept bribes (or did you call it a "mutually-beneficial arrangement"?).  I'll turn you in faster than you can yell, "ARREST ME, I'M SCUM!!" 
        Do yourself a favor and turn your legal team loose in greener pastures.

        Although we may, from time to time, monitor or review discussions, postings and the like on the Friends In Business (Scams 101) Message Board, we are under no obligation to do so.  We are not responsible or liable for any claim arising from the content of any such discussions or postings or for any error, defamation, libel, slander, omission, falsehood, obscenity, pornography, profanity, danger, or inaccuracy contained in any information contained within such locations on the Site.
        You are prohibited from posting or transmitting any unlawful, threatening, libelous, defamatory, obscene, scandalous, inflammatory, pornographic, or profane materials or any material that could constitute or encourage conduct that would be considered a criminal offense, give rise to civil liability, or otherwise violate any law.  You are likewise prohibited from posting any false claims against any company or individual.  We will fully cooperate with any law enforcement authorities or court order requesting or directing us to disclose the identity of anyone posting any such information or materials.
        By posting messages and/or content on the Friends In Business (Scams 101) Message Board, you give permission for Lesley Fountain/Friends In Business/Shoestring Success Publications to display, distribute and use the posting and content for publication, advertising, promotion, excerption or example. You grant Lesley Fountain/Friends In Business/Shoestring Success Publications complete, perpetual, but non-exclusive rights to use, archive, reproduce, adapt, modify, distribute, sub-license, repurpose, rework, compile, or offer for sale or resale the messages, postings or content appearing on this site in whole or in part, throughout the world and universe, on a royalty-free basis without remuneration.  If you cannot accept or agree with the terms of service for this website and discussion board, you are advised not to post on this board.
        In closing, I would like to remind you once again that it is still legal, in this great country of ours, to express a PERSONAL OPINION, as long as it is presented as opinion and not as fact.
        And finally, all you scammers out there will do well to remember that TRUTH IS AN ABSOLUTE DEFENSE against charges of libel, defamation, and slander... so if you're operating just a hop, skip, and jump ahead of the law, you might want to think twice before doing anything stupid... (AND SHAME ON YOU!!).