Re: Interesting debating style when facts are not on your side

Roadie,

Proof will be in the clinical studies that are completed and some that are still underway. Leading folks in the medical and science field such as Beverly Rubik, PhD. will present her findings at the LifeWave convention next month in Las Vegas. Looking at her credentials I don't think she would involve herself in a scam. She is highly respected in her field. Other noted doctors and scientists will present their results at the convention as well.

Numerous professional and college athletes will be at the convention to talk about the patches as well as noted people in the medical industry.

Athletes:
Pat Burris Judo Olympian & Olympic head coach
Mike Gailey Soccer
Mike Hartman NHL Stanley Cup
Randy Jones Cy Young Winner
Tara Kirk Olympic - Swimmer (2004)
Bruce Mathison Football
Stephen Miller USA Senior International Weightlifting Coach
Todd Pierson The Metabloic Project
Cyle Sage World's fastest triathlon swimmer
Jay Saldi Super Bowl Winner
Rhonda Smith-Sanchez North Pole
Courtney Zablocki Olympic - luge

Researchers/Scientists
Dr. Dean Clark
Dr. Lauren DeRock
Dr. Reenah McGill
Dr. Homer Nazeran
Dr. Beverly Rubik, Phd
Dr. Frank Shallenberger

Guest Speakers
Rich Lang
Patrick Netter
Patrick Rettew

Special Guests
Karyn Chabot
Dr. Len Horwitz
Dr. Lexis Johnson
Patricia Kimsey
Dr. David Kamnitzer
Dr. Howard Peiper
James Stevens
Dr. Lee Woolley

By the way, the studies will be displayed in the peer journals.

"Ummmm, OK. But your extraordinary claims should be accompanied with
> extraordinary proof.

> True, but nanotechnology is not shipping in any commercial form, despite
> what the patch folks claim.

> My agenda is debunking.

> Placebos also can be said to "work" for some small values of
> "work"

> Always nice to have the convictions of ones belief.

> From my point of view, this is pure, unadulterated snake oil, and I cannot
> let it go without mention:

> "The Energy Enhancer Patch is a new performance enhancing product and
> technology that utilizes the human bodies' electromagnetic field that we
> believe passively transmits instructions to the body to allow for the
> conversion of fats to energy. With this dual patch system, nothing enters
> the body. Clinical and university studies have shown over 20% increases in
> stamina within the first 10 minutes of use.

> Dr. Steven Haltiwanger, MD CCN, an internationally renowned nutritional
> expert states: "The patches use the electronic and magnetic features
> of the body like a cellular radio to transmit information from the patches
> into the body to enhance the production of energy and stamina. This
> technological discovery applies research from many fields of science to
> promote the burning of fat as an energy source to produce greater
> strength-endurance."

> This technology is the new approach to performance. Our Patent Pending
> method allows organic materials to interact with the human body to improve
> energy, performance and stamina but without ingesting anything."

> "· Nothing Enters the body (non-transdermal patch)
> · Uses new organic nanotechnology structures
> · Resonant Energy Transfer occurs between user and the patches
> · Patches Frequency Modulate (FM) Human magnetic field
> · The patch "transmits" the instructions "make
> energy""
> "Organic Nano-Antennas

> LifeWave Products is the world leader in the emerging field of organically
> constructed nano-antennas for the passive frequency modulation of the
> human magnetic field. These antennas, when properly constructed, we
> believe are capable of passively modulating the human magnetic field for
> the purpose of transmitting information to the human body. The first
> commercially available product is in the form of a patch, with this
> product instructing the body to transport fats to the mitochondria for ATP
> production. The end result is that users experience immediate improvements
> in energy and stamina."

> "How does It work if nothing enters the body?

> It is believed that:

> · The pulsating magnetic field above the human body passes through the
> patches
> · The patches have been constructed so as to "Frequency
> Modulate" (FM) the human magnetic field much in the same way that we
> transmit information over high frequency radio waves.
> · This FM wave is now "transmitted" back to the body by resonant
> energy transfer (similar to having two people hold a rope with one person
> creating a wave motion; the wave will travel to

> the other person)
> · Once the FM signal reaches the user, the signal comes in contact with
> the cells in our bodies; this is known as signal induction, and is the
> process by which various cellular responses occur.
> · In this case, the patches are "encoded" with the signal
> "transport fat to the mitochondria and make ATP"
> · Because there is over twice as much ATP (cellular energy) derived from
> fat as compared with carbohydrates, using fat as an energy source can be
> beneficial "

> Oh, come on.

> Puhleeeeze."

Oh really? How come you think that the above can't happen or will not work? Roadie, do you think it's impossible? Have you done any work or research in this area? What training have you had to conclude that this is "pure, unadulterated snake oil?"

Oftentimes when we can't explain or concieve how something works we tend to look at it in a negative light.

Many researches have put in the time with this type of thinking and they're not necessarily tied just to the thinking that captivates western medicine.

I agree the onus will be on the studies and clinicals referencing the patches. Time will tell but I will continue to use my patches because I like the effect it gives me. If there was ever a placebo effect for me it is gone by now as I've been on the patches for months. I don't think this placebo effect will last that long.

That is why these studies are so important to LifeWave! They will prove the efficacy of the technology.

Regards,