Interesting debating style when facts are not on your side

> One more thing...I am not going to argue the case about LifeWave and their
> patches.

Ummmm, OK. But your extraordinary claims should be accompanied with extraordinary proof.

> That's not my style! You know why? It gets you nowhere in a forum
> as great as this one. People have their own opinions and agendas about
> things and we all know what opinions are like.

True, but nanotechnology is not shipping in any commercial form, despite what the patch folks claim.

My agenda is debunking.

> What I can tell you is they do work for me and countless others who have
> used them. That includes many from the medical field.

Placebos also can be said to "work" for some small values of "work"

> From my point of view, I'm done with this discussion.

Always nice to have the convictions of ones belief.

From my point of view, this is pure, unadulterated snake oil, and I cannot let it go without mention:

"The Energy Enhancer Patch is a new performance enhancing product and technology that utilizes the human bodies' electromagnetic field that we believe passively transmits instructions to the body to allow for the conversion of fats to energy. With this dual patch system, nothing enters the body. Clinical and university studies have shown over 20% increases in stamina within the first 10 minutes of use.

Dr. Steven Haltiwanger, MD CCN, an internationally renowned nutritional expert states: "The patches use the electronic and magnetic features of the body like a cellular radio to transmit information from the patches into the body to enhance the production of energy and stamina. This technological discovery applies research from many fields of science to promote the burning of fat as an energy source to produce greater strength-endurance."

This technology is the new approach to performance. Our Patent Pending method allows organic materials to interact with the human body to improve energy, performance and stamina but without ingesting anything."

"· Nothing Enters the body (non-transdermal patch)
· Uses new organic nanotechnology structures
· Resonant Energy Transfer occurs between user and the patches
· Patches Frequency Modulate (FM) Human magnetic field
· The patch "transmits" the instructions "make energy""
"Organic Nano-Antennas

LifeWave Products is the world leader in the emerging field of organically constructed nano-antennas for the passive frequency modulation of the human magnetic field. These antennas, when properly constructed, we believe are capable of passively modulating the human magnetic field for the purpose of transmitting information to the human body. The first commercially available product is in the form of a patch, with this product instructing the body to transport fats to the mitochondria for ATP production. The end result is that users experience immediate improvements in energy and stamina."

"How does It work if nothing enters the body?

It is believed that:

· The pulsating magnetic field above the human body passes through the patches
· The patches have been constructed so as to "Frequency Modulate" (FM) the human magnetic field much in the same way that we transmit information over high frequency radio waves.
· This FM wave is now "transmitted" back to the body by resonant energy transfer (similar to having two people hold a rope with one person creating a wave motion; the wave will travel to

the other person)
· Once the FM signal reaches the user, the signal comes in contact with the cells in our bodies; this is known as signal induction, and is the process by which various cellular responses occur.
· In this case, the patches are "encoded" with the signal "transport fat to the mitochondria and make ATP"
· Because there is over twice as much ATP (cellular energy) derived from fat as compared with carbohydrates, using fat as an energy source can be beneficial "

Oh, come on.