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FIB - Scams 101 - Ye Olde Archives
Posted By: The Roadie <wcarton@flash.net> In Response To: The Boy Who Cried Spam (P. Drammel)
Wednesday, 20 July 2005, at 4:59 p.m.
> I have been wanting to post about this but was afraid I'd be met with
> ugliness.
Lively debates are the American way. They're not ugly.
> But now I cannot hold back.
Cool.
> A person comes here and posts a question - a legitimate one. Others here
> who frequent other boards say that the post is being made on other forums.
Have you forgotten months of history here? Her earlier series of posts, answered by other community members, not once gaining a reply from Sari?
Not ONCE.
> People automatically call this spamming, although it is not spamming, it
> is a person trying to maximize the answers to their question. But
> nonetheless, many here just label them as a spammer.
It was not traditional spam, admittedly. But it violated Maamaw's prohibition against drive-by posting. That means posting without returning to reply.
Have you read her terms of service?
THE RULES
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(1) No ads.
(2) No drive-by articles.
(3) Be nice.
(4) Don't mess with Maa-Maw.
> To boot, we have Roadie here who has some ties to a popular domain
> registrar making threats to report them to the registrar for spam, which
> is not a small deal and can cost a person hundreds of dollars and lose
> their domain, even though they are not really a spammer.
Nonsense. I *did* report her for investigation. GoDaddy doesn't nuke just because I send in a report. They run an investigation. Did the accused violate the terms of service of the medium they were accused of abusing?
> Just because
> someone posts the same questions to many forums it means absolutely
> nothing and is of no concern to anyone unless that message is obviously
> spam to scam people or to get them to buy into an opportunity or whatever.
Posting to multiple boards is an indicator of abusive behavior, but the specific report was for violating the terms of **this** forum. That's easily investigated. Remember, there's a history here for many months. It wasn't just about this week.
Not returning to the discussion one starts is a sign of disrespect for Maamaw. It's one step above trolling.
> Now tell me something people, do you think that this is good ettiquette?
> No, it's not. In fact, it will make otherwise legitimate people stay away
> from this or any forum where they are constantly labeled unjustly as a
> spammer and even threatened to be reported to their domain registrar as
> such and chance losing their domain and having to pay fines.
You will find many others annoyed at Sari, I predict. This is the first time she's ever deigned to reply after having her posting responded to.
> Now I ask this to Leslie. Do you really want this type of false accusing
> and threatening to keep going on? If so, why? What good does that do for
> you, your forum, or anyone? There is far more damage that can be done than
> any good.
Spam load seems to be down, now that one piece of auto-posting software has taken the FIB board out of its "target list".
> I'm not telling anyone how to run their forum, but there are certain
> things being done here by certain people who want to be the "saviour
> of the day" all the time. Simply put, that will prove to work against
> you and your forum someday if it hasn't had a bearing already.
What Leslie wants, Leslie gets. If she wants less-aggressive spam reporting, she can ask. If she wants to allow one-shot drive-by postings, she can modify her rules any time.
> Who knows, maybe Leslie will give Roadie some information on me now that I
> posted this so that Roadie can find out the domains I own at godaddy and
> report me for spam. Well, that's a chance I'll have to take. I just think
> something needs to be said and done about this. I have seen this happen
> here before without saying a word about it.
If you're not spamming, or violating her rules, why on earth would I report you to anybody? Sheesh.
> Roadie, remember the story of the boy who cried wolf? Well, that sort of
> applies here. Maybe I will write a modified version of the story for you
> and others to learn from. I'll call it, "The Raodie Who Cried
> Spam".
You're imagining teeth that are way bigger than my set of choppers. You explain what Sari was doing last February, and how it wasn't a violation of the "no drive-by articles" rule, and I'll let you know how many spam reports I've actually had to rescind compared to the >10,000 that have been accepted as valid and acted upon over the years.
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