Fair Enough - Serious Issues with eDave and this particular scam !!

I expect the scammers are going to go on with their ad hominen attacks because they have a vested interest. I know you do not (the $30 doesn't count against you in this instance but I did get your attention). What I have a problem with is the LACK OF LOGIC AND THE USE OF LOGICAL FALLACIES to support what is OBVIOUSLY A SCAM.

I'll admit I get snarky with you sometimes. It's for the same reason (or should I say LACK OF). You have heard about logical fallacies haven't you?

http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/

The use of logical fallacies seems to be standard operating procedure with scammers. These scammers are playing word games. And I'll give you SPECIFIC eDAVE examples (let me add a small caveat here --- eDave may not be aware he's doing this and you seem to be a big fan of his so I'll tread lightly):

1. I never saw a response to the Ebay question. eDave said something yesterday about Ebay. Ebay doesn't have anything to do with ecurrency. I did a search and posted the ZERO search results (my post was zapped). eDave was doing the classic name dropping of a successful operation in trying to equate that with this scam. We've ALL SEEN IT DONE over and over.

2. eDave "For those of you (like The Tim) who are bit slower than others, this is when a person has money in one ecurrency and needs to exchange it for another ecurrency."

Except that we've not yet identified exactly what ecurrency is suppose to be in the FIRST place, so explaining it in terms of exchange isn't helpful, but if you don't pay attention you might think he actually answered the question! I see this 'circular logic' permeates scammer explanations. Now I'm not saying the eDave IS A SCAMMER, but he's certainly picked up the vernacular quite well.

3. eDave "I'm certainly not foolish enough to believe that DXInOne.com will continue to do business forever, but it's very easy to understand the service they are providing today"

Conclusion without ANY SUPPORTING explanation. It's EXACTLY the reason this keeps coming up. Nobody has a clue as to what's actually going on. To wit see the next UNANSWERED QUESTION (not from me in this example, but still relevant)

4. Riddle me this - But if I go to the site which I presume is about this, and look at one of the e-currencies: http://www.dxcurrencies.com/online-currency-statistics/STM.php
Exchange rates from the past 30 days, vary by more than a factor of 10 ($1.99 @ 22-28 days ago, to $20.04 @ 8-14 days ago).
Now the question is WHAT IS THE CAUSE OF A TEN-FOLD MOVEMENT????

Never answered, and considering eDave says "It's very easy to understand...." is there any reason that we shouldn't be skeptical (I might remind you that this IS SKEPTICS PARADISE AFTER ALL !!!)

5. Another question not from me that NEVER gets answered: > What is the product or service that is generating the money to be paid out
> to all these people?

6. This is CLASSIC eDave stuff here..."You go into a bank or other business that does currency exchanges, and YOU PAY A FEE for making the swap.
There are a bunch of other ecurrency exchangers out there. Oddly, nobody seems to be questioning or investigating these....

We all know CURRENCY EXCHANGE is legitimate. First eDave tries to draw an illegitimate parallel between a real business function and his imaginary one, but the lack of prosecution of these ecurrency scams IS NOT PROOF OF LEGALITY, Furthermore, it's the USE OF THIS PARTICULAR TYPE of example that ought to raise red flags!!!! Maybe if these 'operations' weren't housed in some offshore Aruban account we'd see more prosections?!! There are a few of us here with institutional memory of MANY SCAMS. I wish I had a dime for everytime a scammer used the "WELL WE HAVEN'T BEEN SHUT DOWN...."

Hope that is 'gentle' enough criticism for your sensibilities. I'm just trying to JUMP UP AN DOWN to keep people FROM MAKING A FOOLISH mistake. Some people find that kind of behavior admirable.....some obnoxious....guess it depends on where your bread is being buttered??

Enjoy.

> You really are an idiot, aren't you?

> LISTEN UP, BECAUSE I'M ONLY GOING TO SAY THIS ONE MORE TIME:

> 1. I am "in on it." I invested $30. It's still sitting there
> because I couldn't figure out how to work the system.

> 2. I believe it's "a game" like StockGeneration was -- a
> money-shuffling game.

> 3. I can't understand the need for exchanging e-currency, because it seems
> to me that anyone, anywhere, can open a PayPal or e-Gold or e-Bullion
> account and pay in whatever currency a merchant accepts and that anyone,
> anywhere, can move their money from one e-currency to another without
> paying someone to do it for them. We all have equal access to all those
> "e-currencies" or "e-payment methods" or whatever you
> choose to call them (i.e., PayPal). Obviously merchants aren't going to
> accept some weird "e-currency" that the average person can't
> get. I may be right and I may be wrong because I'm worse at financial
> stuff than I am at techie stuff, but that's why I personally believe the
> profit is just coming from money shuffling.

> 4. I believe it will collapse one day and that people who didn't take out
> their initial investment will lose their money. I believe some people will
> lose big money. If those people couldn't afford to lose that "big
> money" then that's their problem, because they shouldn't have been
> stupid enough to invest money they couldn't afford to lose (I learned that
> the hard way myself).

> 5. I believe people enter at their own risk, and if I ever have time to
> figure out the new system, I'm going to "play" with my $30.
> Maybe I can make enough to buy dinner at Denny's. If playing with my money
> perpetuates the system and indirectly hurts the people coming in, I'm not
> going to worry about it one bit because I am not going to encourage even
> one single person to get involved. I invested my money knowing I might
> lose it (yes, I know I only invested $30, but if I'd had $500 to burn, I
> would have invested that), and I'm here to say that I believe *anyone* who
> puts money into this stands a good chance of losing it -- but I also
> believe anyone who puts money into this stands a good chance of making
> money if they're lucky enough to do it before the bottom falls out. It's
> like going to a casino and gambling, but personally, I'd rather play
> DXgold than roulette.

> 6. I believe every word eDave says about the amount of money he has
> invested, the amount of money he has taken out, and the amount of
> "money" he has in his portfolio. When he tells me he can get
> that out in cash because it's just an "out-exchange" and he does
> them every day, I believe him -- but I also believe that if he waits too
> long, he might lose (and he knows that because he isn't stupid although I
> know you want people to think he is).

> 7. eDave is not here recruiting anyone. He is stating his opinion, and
> others are stating theirs. The vast majority of opinions are negative. If
> you notice, ONLY your posts are being zapped. Roadie has gone into *great*
> detail on why this is a game or a scam or whatever he believes it is, as
> has Mel -- and I have never edited or deleted their posts.

> 8. The Roadie and Mel and other people on this board are capable of
> stating their opinions without being despicable in the process.

> 9. I have "known" eDave as long as I've "known" you,
> and eDave is twice the person you are, IMHO.

> 10. If you can figure out how to state your opinion without being a
> slimeball in the process, I won't keep zapping your posts, but since you
> can't teach a rotten dog new tricks, I don't expect to see any big change.

> Luv,