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> From this page on his site,
> http://www.disciplescross.com/index.asp?PageAction=Custom&ID=28, I get the
> impression that he may be dealing in tens of thousands of crosses and the
> volume is just more than the local ladies could handle.

From his domain registration data, we see he says this about his location:

Raymond, John
pastorjohnraymond@charter.net
857 Brownswitch Rd #289 [A UPS (used to be Mail Boxes Etc.) store]
Slidell, Louisiana 70458
5045551212 [Liar]

GoDaddy has been notified about truth being required in the phone number.

He was no closer to keeping his customers happy last August:

Letter from Pastor John as posted on disciplescross Yahoo group:

From: "John Raymond"
Date: Mon Aug 16, 2004 10:20 pm
Subject: Hello and update from Pastor John

Hi everyone.

I spoke to Amanda at prebent-nails.com today and she politely let me
know that I needed to keep the entire Disciple's Cross family informed
of the status of our changes and progress. (Thanks again, Amanda.) I
realize that Disciple's Cross is letting many of you down in multiple
areas right now. I understand your frustration completely. Quite
frankly, it would be very easy for me to get overwhelmed and totally
discouraged. The only thing that keeps me going is knowing how many
people this ministry has blessed in the past and how many more I want
to see blessed in the future. I have complete faith that we will
overcome these temporary obstacles and learn powerful lessons from
them which will help us to be more effective in the future.

Meanwhile I dare not even ask for your patience because you have
already shown me so much. I will promise you, however, that our full
efforts are being put forth to perfect a system that will serve all of
you with the highest integrity and efficiency. I refuse to allow
myself to become discouraged because I am convinced that this ministry
is incredibly significant to God's kingdom.

I'm reminded of the lady who cooked so well that her friends urged her
to open up a restaurant. She took their advice and invested all her
savings into her own restaurant. Unfortunately the complications of
that business and the competitiveness of the industry were more than
she bargained for. Instead of cooking she began spending all her time
training employees and dealing with complex regulations. She was
drowning in issues regarding inventory, equipment, furniture, the
building lease, employee situations, etc. In the end she lost it all
and found herself back at home cooking for appreciative friends which
is what she loved to do in the first place. It was an expensive
lesson for her but a valuable one.

I want to be very clear with you....I am NOT that lady. Yes, we have
discovered that the dynamics of building an exploding ministry have
stretched us to our physical, mental and spiritual limits. Yes, I
have longed for the days when I simply spent a few quiet and
harmonious hours a day making crosses to send to Christian bookstores
with the serene belief that someone would be wearing the Disciple's
Cross one day. Yes, our lives have been completely turned upside down
and our home and garage completely lost in the aftermath of "Hurricane
DC." But I am no less comitted to growing this ministry than I was
when I first felt compelled by the Holy Spirit to do it. I will not
sell out. I will not quit. I will not stop getting better. I will
not allow Satan to take us down.

Disciple's Cross is here to stay. We are young and stumbling but we
will get up after each time we fall and brush ourselves off and say,
"Well, let's not lose that lesson." Too many people are counting on
me and I go to bed each night with that on the forefront of my mind.
In the meantime I am pastoring a church and being a husband to my wife
and a father to my three children. I know you have your load too and
I want to make it lighter - not heavier. If you will hang in there
with me I promise you we will solve the problems and make Disciple's
Cross truly the best Christian work-at-home opportunity available.

Thank you for your faith and trust. I don't take it lightly.
In Christ,
Pastor John