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Re: Anyone had trouble w/ Moneyflies.com?

Posted By: The Roadie <wcarton@flash.net>
Wednesday, 19 January 2005, at 7:13 p.m.

In Response To: Anyone had trouble w/ Moneyflies.com? (Jen)

> This company has not send me product that i paid for. I have asked them
> for 2 months for a refund and they told me to stop harrassing them and
> that they will not refund me unless I send a self addressed STAMPED
> envelope. I think that is ridiculous, i paid w/ paypal. I asked them why
> they never told me why i didnt get my product and they had no answer, they
> just keep your money until YOU CONTACT THEM. they had no response about
> where my product was. THEN they said they will NOT REFUND ME unless i send
> a self addressed envelope. well i did do that yet they claim that they
> didnt get it. I sent this envelope TWICE and they claim not receiving .
> this company has complaints all over the web, they are a scam site.

Any reason you didn't find out about these complaints BEFORE you got victimized?

> From m_flies@hotmail.com
> As of this date we have not received any mail from you with a letter
> requesting a refund, proof of purchase or a self addressed and stamped
> envelope. Once these items are received a refund will be sent immediately.

> Anymore email correspondence will be seen as harassment and no refund will
> be possible if this occurs. Please follow the instructions for receiving a
> refund in our disclaimer section.

Two things you can do to annoy them. Package up a few of their emails and send them to "abuse@hotmail.com" along with an explanation that they are conducting business using that address. It's a violation of Hotmail's terms of service to use their email accounts for commercial purposes. Hotmail should delete their account.

Another thing you can do is package up your complaint and send it to "abuse@godaddy.com", their domain registrar. Using GoDaddy in the furtherance of a scam is a violation of their terms of service, and they should investigate. Tell them the Roadie advised you to do this. The scammer is concealing their true identity by using the "Domains By Proxy" domain registration service of GoDaddy, but they don't allow their clients to run cons using their services to cloak their identity. If GoDaddy runs an investigation, we might learn the real name and address of this con artist, and then there are more possibilities to annoy them, like posting their data on a web site.

I could help if you CC me on the report you send GoDaddy. Please consider this.

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