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hey also operate stuffenvelopeslegally.com (64.202.167.56)

Posted By: Just a concerned person
Friday, 21 January 2005, at 5:29 a.m.

In Response To: Anyone had trouble w/ Moneyflies.com? (Jen)

> This company has not send me product that i paid for. I have asked them
> for 2 months for a refund and they told me to stop harrassing them and
> that they will not refund me unless I send a self addressed STAMPED
> envelope. I think that is ridiculous, i paid w/ paypal. I asked them why
> they never told me why i didnt get my product and they had no answer, they
> just keep your money until YOU CONTACT THEM. they had no response about
> where my product was. THEN they said they will NOT REFUND ME unless i send
> a self addressed envelope. well i did do that yet they claim that they
> didnt get it. I sent this envelope TWICE and they claim not receiving .
> this company has complaints all over the web, they are a scam site. this
> is the email they just sent me:

> From m_flies@hotmail.com
> As of this date we have not received any mail from you with a letter
> requesting a refund, proof of purchase or a self addressed and stamped
> envelope. Once these items are received a refund will be sent immediately.

> Anymore email correspondence will be seen as harassment and no refund will
> be possible if this occurs. Please follow the instructions for receiving a
> refund in our disclaimer section.

> Moneyflies

> FINAL RESPONSE

I have not had any experience with these scammers but can file a complaint with paypal. Maybe they will freeze their account and they (Moneyflies) will refund your money to drop the complaint with paypal.

I looked around their web site but could not find any real info. They also operate stuffenvelopeslegally.com (64.202.167.56) web site using the same PO address. I wonder if you can contact the Post Office in Loveland, CO and see if they will give you a physical address. Maybe file a small claims court action and send a subpoena to the Post Office in Loveland, CO. The Post Office in Loveland, CO would require an ID and physical address of the person renting the PO Box. I know this will cost less than $50.00 to file a small claims court action but maybe if everyone knows this person they will not loose money to these scammers. Good luck!

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