Re: I wouldn't think of blasting you, but I do believe you've been had.

I'm gonna take the other side of this issue and be the advocate
*sorry i just couldn't say devil's advocate* 8-)

> Well I'm a Christian too, and the words "christian organization"
> don't give me one bit of comfort when the "christian
> organization" is asking for money.

if they attach their business to the word "christian" and they truely
are christians then they do have a added responsiblity before God and they know it. Especially if they are asking for money. More about that in the P.S. below

> This isn't to say you can't sell them, as you are hoping. You can sell
> just about anything if you try hard enough I guess. But I'm sure the
> majority of people who go into this are attracted by the "no
> selling" promise.

well I did a search on ebay and there are some folks who say they are
approved and I also did a completed item search and the crosses are selling.
This ought to lift the "SCAM ISSUE" in and of itself.

> Yup, as long as you can live without the $69.95 I guess there's no great
> harm done.

Now you must know how much I've already lost on here. $69.95 is my birthday present.

> You know what I think would be a *really* Christian thing to do?

> I think this guy could put *tons* of local people to work -- moms who want
> to stay home with their kids, people who are out of work and desperate for
> an income, people who need a little extra to make ends meet -- and if it's
> true that Christian bookstores snap them up, then he shouldn't have any
> trouble selling as many as he can get his hands on.

> The materials obviously cost pennies, so the *really* Christian thing to
> do, in my opinion, would be to provide those supplies FREE to all the
> local people he would be helping -- and who would be helping him by
> producing his product for him, for which they would be paid per piece at
> the time of completion, just as if they were working for a legitimate
> company. That way, everybody wins -- and nobody is risking their $69.95.
> (BTW, he would not be risking anything either, because local people could
> make two or three crosses, and he would only have to provide more supplies
> once they proved they could do the job.)

so you give supplies of 2 or 3 crosses to organizations across the area you live in. Could be say a good 5000 people or more or are you suggesting he start out small? How long is that going to take to get help? supplies to 6000 people at 3 crosses each is a lot of cash to dish out only to find out half or one third are actually participating. Ruined supplies are just that ruined supplies
theres no quality control if people aren't risking anything. It doesn't matter if you hand the supplies out locally or globally if you let them out of your hands you WILL NOT GET MOST OF THEM BACK even if you have a contract. We're talking little nails, threads, paper clips (stuff that gets easily lost believe me).

> Promising to buy back as many as you can make, plus reimburse you for
> supplies and postage, is exactly the same M.O. as every other assembly
> offer out there, only this one is hiding behind Christianity to suck in
> the believers.

be back sometime soon with info for ya. Thanks for the reply.

p.s.

Theres a fine line between the need for funding and quality control in a world wide christian organization and "hiding behind Christianity and taking advantage of Christians". Do you agree with that?

If all the world wide christian organizations are doing this I think there are
more fake christians then anyone ever realized I'm not ready to point judgement on all of them. Are you?

As I see this "Christian issue" Its this: Take the gospel to all the world or dont cause some people are going to say you're a fake for needing quality control or funding.

The crosses come with a salvation message. They can be worn and handed out as well they really are a ministry too. Theres a slight added possibility he just decided like all christian ministies have to, either I'm going to take the gospel to the world by making this world wide or I'm not going to take the risk. 8-)

For true evangelical christians the later isn't acceptable

So they say. Maybe you can.

> Well I'm a Christian too, and the words "christian organization"
> don't give me one bit of comfort when the "christian
> organization" is asking for money. (Can we all spell P-T-L C-L-U-B?)

> I hope it goes well for you, but the boards I checked all seemed to come
> to the same conclusion: "I have sent mine in but it's been xxx weeks
> and I haven't heard a thing yet." (surprise)

> This isn't to say you can't sell them, as you are hoping. You can sell
> just about anything if you try hard enough I guess. But I'm sure the
> majority of people who go into this are attracted by the "no
> selling" promise.

> Yup, as long as you can live without the $69.95 I guess there's no great
> harm done.

> Maybe it's legit. I doubt it, but do come back and let us know.

> Good luck.

> Luv,