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Re: My opinion is different from Paul's... speaking from experience in the biz.

Posted By: Rose Marschall
Monday, 29 November 2004, at 10:42 a.m.

In Response To: Re: My opinion is different from Paul's... speaking from experience in the biz. (The Roadie)

I have been involved with Liberty league for 6 months. I put in $10,000 and did not make one dime. I beleive there are a lot of folks out there like me. I worked/duplicated the system and did not get the results. Now they all say you create your reality and I do beleive that to some extint. I also beleive it takes a lot of money for overhead to run this business. They are dishonest about that. I know folks who have been in the business for over 6 months and because of the 'comraderie" they keep stiking it out. I almost lost my marriage over this business, am going to have to file bankruptcy and am emotionally spent. When I ask for help and what I may be doing wrong, I get nothing just stick with it when it happens it happens fast.

The main challenge with these programs is that you put your heart and soul into it and see no benefits to yourself or others. How long can one go on with telling folks that this is a system and if they duplicate it they will get the same results? As I write this I realize that, I still am attached to the program and if I had another $5,000 I would have stayed in. Your average folks dont' have this type of income to invest (I didn't and shouldn't have.) If the system worked 100% of the time I wouldn't be depressed, broke and writing this e-mail. I wonder if these programs attract people with addictive type of personalitites. My husband says I can't be rationale and that I act like an addictive gambler. Just one more month...and then I'll make it.

Any feedback form others would be great.

> Like spam, and use capture pages to deflect the spam trackers, as some LLI
> members do.

> Nonsense and balderdash, again. If the product is overpriced and a
> rip-off, then you're not in a sustainable enterprise. And if selling the
> product is overshadowed by getting more active distributors, then you're
> in a pyramid.

> Sure is, and for good reason. The FTC warns folks away from opportunities
> where the product can't be sold on its own merits, and the hype revolves
> around the cult of personalities and recruiting.

> Sure sign of something to run away from, where the hype is center stage
> and the product can't stand on its own merits.

> Quite a closed universe of self-congratulatory marketers you're
> describing.

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