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Posted By: The Tim <tim@thetimtimes.com> In Response To: Thread about an egold ponzi from a scam forum (phillyflash)
Friday, 6 May 2005, at 7:07 a.m.
Waiting for comments from eDave and the rest of the Ponzi Patrol.
Enjoy.
> For your amusement:
> Posted: Jan 28 2005, 10:58 PM
> Auction Forum Moderator
> Verified Vendor for E-Gold Ponzi/HYIP Websites
> Group: Moderator
> Posts: 371
> Member No.: 473
> Joined: 16-November 04
> e-Gold Ponzi/HYIP Automated Scam Website by ITBook
> I am offering a fully automated e-gold Ponzi/HYIP scam website. In case
> you're not familiar with a Ponzi, here's what it is:
> Usually advertised as an investment opportunity, it is a scheme where
> "investors" are offered a certain percent profit for
> "investing" money. The latest investor's name gets put at the
> bottom of the list and their money is added to a pool. If there's enough
> money, the person at the top of the list is paid out. They are also told
> that if they get other people to invest money, they will be given a
> percentage of whatever their referals invest. In theory, after being paid
> the person tells all their friends that it actually works (with the
> incentive of a percent of their investment) and the website grows and
> grows. You can either stay legit (taking a cut of the investments) until
> it dies out, or you can wait until it grows and you have several hundred
> or several thousand dollars going through it, at which point you stop
> paying the "investors" and keep their payments from then on.
> What my website does is automate the entire process - it keeps track of
> all of the payments, manages the money in your e-gold account, keeps a cut
> of the money for you, pays out investors, pays out affiliates, gives up to
> the minute statistics on your website, etc. With all the users and
> affiliates being paid out as soon as possible your website will spread as
> fast as possible.
> The website comes with a setup page which you can view in your browser and
> use to enter in all the needed details. You can customize the information
> from the setup page - you don't need any HTML or programming knowledge.
> You will need to get your own hosting, but if you need help setting it up
> I will do it for you. If you're familliar with HTML or know how to use
> Frontpage you can alter the website layout all you like. If you don't want
> to or don't know how, you can leave it how it is. It comes with a manual
> to guide you through setting it up and how to use the different features.
> For example, if you decide that you have enough money going through the
> website each day, you can disable the payment of users but have it
> continue to pay affiliates. It will take a while before users realize they
> aren't being paid since the affiliates - the people who are getting more
> people to invest - will still get paid.
> After you've set up the website using the setup page, the only thing you
> will need to do is advertise. You can post in a few forums, e-mail people,
> get advertising on websites, or anything else you can think of. In theory
> you only need to get a few people to invest, because after being paid,
> they will tell their friends because they will be getting a cut of their
> referal's investments.
> The price for this automated website is $400.
> I accept payment by e-gold and WU. If you pay by e-gold I will send you a
> zip file with the manual and website as soon as I get your payment (within
> a day). If you pay by WU it will take a few days, up to 4 or 5 before I
> can cash it and send you the zip file. With WU, after service charges it
> should cost just under 440.
> If you are interested in purchasing or have any questions, you can PM me
> or email me at (removed by phillyflash:). If you're interested in
> purchasing, tell me which method you prefer and include your email address
> so I can send you my details.
> - ITBook
> This post has been edited by itbook on Mar 20 2005, 01:43 PM
> ____________________
> Fully Automated e-Gold Ponzi/HYIP Websites
> sublimity Posted: Jan 29 2005, 03:56 AM
> Unregistered
> Very interesting idea, although highly played out and abused, thus it
> requires a lot of more time, dedication and skill.
> I wonder the following:
> 1) How would the payouts be done? Automatically? Manually?
> 2) If the system provides a percentage of an investment, what stops people
> from fooling it by signing up with different names and then just
> collecting the percentage. Is there anything that protects against that?
> 3) As far as I know, this is in the "illegal" category. Setting
> up a hosting that will not shut such sites down will be very difficult,
> especially after the complaints pour in. Any suggestions?
> 4) Is everything composed of scripts alone? Or are there executables
> aswell?
> Thank you for your time.
> itbook Posted: Jan 29 2005, 01:31 PM
> Auction Forum Moderator
> Verified Vendor for E-Gold Ponzi/HYIP Websites
> Group: Moderator
> Posts: 371
> Member No.: 473
> Joined: 16-November 04
> 1. Payouts are done completely automatically. After you set it up and
> advertise you don't have to do a thing.
> 2. I'm not sure what you mean. For people to sign up on the list, they
> need to make an investment which is paid back later. It doesn't matter if
> they invest multiple times or of they use different names.
> 3. I'm not sure if it is in the illegal category, it's more borderline.
> I've seen sites doing this (some are called "bubble games")
> which are the exact same thing they're just advertising them differently.
> My suggesting would be (removed by phillyflash). I've never used them but
> I've heard good things about them, they have anonymous offshore hosting
> for $25 with e-gold as a payment option.
> 4. It's all composted of scripts. You don't need to run any executable
> files on your own computer or leave a computer on running an executable.
> - ITBook
> ____________________
> Fully Automated e-Gold Ponzi/HYIP Websites
> HiHello Posted: Jan 29 2005, 08:53 PM
> Registered
> Group: Readers
> Posts: 7
> Member No.: 1382
> Joined: 18-January 05
> IT BOOK,
> I am sure this can be used for Legal purposes too
> I really do.
> I shall be in touch with you shortly.
> HiHello
> itbook Posted: Jan 29 2005, 09:05 PM
> Auction Forum Moderator
> Verified Vendor for E-Gold Ponzi/HYIP Websites
> Group: Moderator
> Posts: 371
> Member No.: 473
> Joined: 16-November 04
> QUOTE (HiHello @ Jan 29 2005, 08:53 PM)
> IT BOOK,
> I am sure this can be used for Legal purposes too
> I really do.
> I shall be in touch with you shortly.
> HiHello
> It definately has legal uses so it shouldn't be too hard to get some
> hosting. Like I said above in terms of what it is, you can just leave it
> going until it dies out rather than stopping payments and keeping them
> all. It's up to you.
> - ITBook
> ____________________
> Fully Automated e-Gold Ponzi/HYIP Websites
> Mullet007 Posted: Jan 29 2005, 09:47 PM
> Registered
> Group: Readers
> Posts: 271
> Member No.: 96
> Joined: 1-November 04
> Seems like a grest idea, but being advertised on this forum it will be
> abused pretty much. Anways, let' say I want to keep it legit for atleast 2
> years and keep paying 5% or whatever a month back to the investers.. so
> lets say I would 1.25%/week of whatever they invested. It will keep them
> motivated but how will I make money off this, since I don't want to rip
> anyone and run away how can I keep making making money. Also, are there
> any laws or anything that abide users to run these sites or invest in
> these kinda sites. One more thing, the investments are always locked up as
> far as I know. So once a user invests 300, and he makes it back in
> whatever month and starts making a profit on it how will we manage that ,
> what are the chances that whatever he makes he would invest it back.
> Thank you
> ____________________
> Its not you, its your mullet that makes you sexy!?
> itbook Posted: Jan 29 2005, 10:01 PM
> Auction Forum Moderator
> Verified Vendor for E-Gold Ponzi/HYIP Websites
> Group: Moderator
> Posts: 371
> Member No.: 473
> Joined: 16-November 04
> QUOTE (Mullet007 @ Jan 29 2005, 09:47 PM)
> Seems like a grest idea, but being advertised on this forum it will be
> abused pretty much. Anways, let' say I want to keep it legit for atleast 2
> years and keep paying 5% or whatever a month back to the investers.. so
> lets say I would 1.25%/week of whatever they invested. It will keep them
> motivated but how will I make money off this, since I don't want to rip
> anyone and run away how can I keep making making money. Also, are there
> any laws or anything that abide users to run these sites or invest in
> these kinda sites. One more thing, the investments are always locked up as
> far as I know. So once a user invests 300, and he makes it back in
> whatever month and starts making a profit on it how will we manage that ,
> what are the chances that whatever he makes he would invest it back.
> Thank you
> It may be abused a bit, but I'm planning on limiting how many copies of
> this I'm going to sell.
> It's hard to continue paying, stay legit, and make money off of it. With
> mine their investment is locked in only until there's enough money to pay,
> not for a set time.
> As to laws, running a ponzi scheme is illegal. I'm not sure of laws
> specific to your area, my only advice would be search online for a list of
> your area's laws and search for ponzi and see what comes up.
> - ITBook
> ____________________
> Fully Automated e-Gold Ponzi/HYIP Websites
> Nameless Posted: Jan 31 2005, 04:03 PM
> Unreviewed Vendor
> Group: Unreviewed Vendor
> Posts: 74
> Member No.: 262
> Joined: 6-November 04
> And if this is standard, can we improve its looks and its design ?
> Or can you do this ? Is it customizable the design and the pages ?
> Can we see a "demo" of what you offer ? Thank you
> Synndrome Posted: Feb 3 2005, 03:59 PM
> Registered
> Group: Readers
> Posts: 7
> Member No.: 755
> Joined: 7-December 04
> I sent payment and received my package in a timely fashion. The files that
> come with the HYIP package look well, seems to be a full package to me in
> terms of what files you need to setup the site. I have yet to upload it
> and view the asp files, so I cannot give much detail on them at the
> moment. Itbook is very friendly and informal, this is a professional
> product. I suggest to buy from him if you are interested in this item. I
> will post back at a much later time once the HYIP has been running for
> some period of time. Thank you again itbook.
> Good luck.
> idi Posted: Feb 4 2005, 12:42 AM
> Reviewed For Carding Service
> Group: Reviewed Vendor
> Posts: 37
> Member No.: 129
> Joined: 1-November 04
> Even if itbook put together a fantastic package it still remains to be
> seen if people will actually fall for it. I'm waiting for someone
> respected to say "Yeah, not only have I received it but I really did
> make a bunch of money."
> ____________________
> Work with a reviewed vendor and a real professional: Carding service.
> Clean or dirty.
> itbook Posted: Feb 4 2005, 01:11 AM
> Auction Forum Moderator
> Verified Vendor for E-Gold Ponzi/HYIP Websites
> Group: Moderator
> Posts: 371
> Member No.: 473
> Joined: 16-November 04
> QUOTE (Nameless @ Jan 31 2005, 04:03 PM)
> And if this is standard, can we improve its looks and its design ?
> Or can you do this ? Is it customizable the design and the pages ?
> Can we see a "demo" of what you offer ? Thank you
> Yep, you can improve the design, add your own content, change the layout,
> etc. I can do it for you if you want. Depending on how long the changes or
> added features will take I may do it for free or I may give you a price
> quote.
> I'll put together a few screenshots of it and post them tomorrow.
> - ITBook
> ____________________
> Fully Automated e-Gold Ponzi/HYIP Websites
> itbook Posted: Feb 4 2005, 01:34 AM
> Auction Forum Moderator
> Verified Vendor for E-Gold Ponzi/HYIP Websites
> Group: Moderator
> Posts: 371
> Member No.: 473
> Joined: 16-November 04
> QUOTE (idi @ Feb 4 2005, 12:42 AM)
> Even if itbook put together a fantastic package it still remains to be
> seen if people will actually fall for it. I'm waiting for someone
> respected to say "Yeah, not only have I received it but I really did
> make a bunch of money."
> People fall for schemes like this all the time. Further, at first it?not a
> scheme - at first you actually pay users, and you keep paying them until
> you have their trust and you have enough money going through you.
> I'm waiting for someone respected to come along and buy my Ponzi/HYIP
> website, until one of you vendors/moderators/respected members tries out
> my ponzi we're not going to hear from one of them that it works. I'm going
> to have to get someone respected to try it out.
> - ITBook
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