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For commercial sites, yes

Posted By: The Roadie <wcarton@flash.net>
Monday, 14 March 2005, at 3:41 p.m.

In Response To: Question for Mr Carton (Bill Cornelius)

> In an archived post, copied below, you stated that the subjects use of a
> domain registration anonymizer was a "red flag".

I did, because when you're a business trying to sell things and have customers, I believe you should not hide from them in the same way that a brick and mortar store should not act as if it's selling out of the trunk of a DeSoto in the mall parking lot.

> Using your logic, shouldn't one then doubt the verasity of the owner of
> the site described below?

> Registrant:
> Domains by Proxy, Inc.
> 15111 N Hayden Rd., Suite 160 PMB353
> Scottsdale, Arizona 85260
> United States
> Registered through: GoDaddy.com (http://www.godaddy.com)
> Domain Name: THECLUBBUILTONSPAM.COM

One should not for a few reasons:

1) I make no bones about it being my site, as is trivially discovered in a groups.google.com search.

2) It's not a commercial site; I sell nothing; I have no customers to be disgruntled.

3) Anyone needs to email me about data at the site, for corrections, etc., they can use the address posted at the site, or the address at domainsbyproxy.com. It gets forwarded to me instantly. Send Domains By Proxy a subpoena or serve them with a lawsuit for me, I'll get it.

4) I wrote them a testimonial about my reasons for using their services (besides I'm good friends with GoDaddy) and you can read it here:
http://www.domainsbyproxy.com/dbptestimonials.aspx

5) With the nature of the content of that site, and the regular death threats and blustering lawsuit threats I get, would you expose your family to the loons you know are out there? After disconnecting perhaps 5000 spammers and their domains, you can imagine I have a few kooky enemies. Coming to my house might be poor judgement on their part if they ever tried, but here are some of the archived data including death threats by one of the more recent kook/spammers to lose a few domains:

http://www.spamhaus.org/rokso/listing.lasso?-op=cn&spammer=Kelly%20Joe%20Ellis%20/%20WebMark%20inc%20/%20Marketforce%20inc

But if anything on my sites is inaccurate, I'm always willing to look at fresh evidence and update it. Worry about the truth of the data, is my recommendation.

Hey, you don't get the home address of Maamaw, either. Just a PO Box.

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Question for Mr Carton (views: 680)
Bill Cornelius -- Monday, 14 March 2005, at 2:13 p.m.
- For commercial sites, yes (views: 762)
  The Roadie -- Monday, 14 March 2005, at 3:41 p.m.

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