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Re: reporting spammer to their host??

Posted By: The Roadie <wcarton@flash.net>
Monday, 28 February 2005, at 7:24 a.m.

In Response To: reporting spammer to their host?? (Kim)

> My question is - to Roadie or anyone else - is how do I know who the isp
> is for someone? I have been getting emails from www.bestlenderz4u.com for
> the last couple of weeks - they appear to have gotten ahold of road
> runners email list and are clueless enough to have an entire list of
> emails addresses in the to part of the email - there are about 20 email
> addresses all starting with K in the latest from them.

The spammers have discovered that a lot of their crap was being filtered by a simple rule that too many addresses in the BCC list means it's spam. So some of them started using the CC list, which allows victims to see the addresses of the other spam victims. This normally isn't a problem except there are viruses that scan the INBOX of any infected computer, looking for addresses. Now yours appears in a place where the virus can pick it up and send itself to you. If you aren't already running good AV software you certainly need to now.

Anyway, you probably know that the "from" field in an email is almost NEVER where the spammer is sending it from - it's trivially forged. The real way to annoy spammers is to go after their payload sites, in the body of the email.

Tracing spammers back to the sources and reporting them to their home ISP is difficult work except for absolute newbie idiot spammers who use their own connection. The top 200 professionals (http://www.spamhaus.org/rokso/index.lasso) use bribed connections from China or Brazil to get their stuff out, or else they use a network of virus-infected cable modem clients in the US as anonymous spam engines. You can use SpamCop to trace these back to the source, and complain to the originating ISP but that's almost a losing proposition. Most bulletproof spam source ISPs KNOW they're providing connectivity to spammers, and they simply ignore complaints because you have no stick to beat them with and the spammer's paying good money.

But for the curious, you can visit http://www.spamcop.net/ and use their services to trace headers.

To trace the spammer's body URLs, you need to use tools like Sam Spade to check the whois (which you are already doing) and then find their IP location to see who their host is.

In this case, the spammer's domain is hosted at IP 218.30.123.56. Take that IP, and go to the nice site http://www.openrbl.org/ and plug it in. The response will tell you where the IP is in the world (ChinaNet) and how many blacklists it's already on (7). If you follow the link to this IPs SpamHaus listing (http://www.spamhaus.org/SBL/sbl.lasso?query=SBL23610) you will see it's a domain hosted with 326 (!) other spamvertised domains on a box under control of Alan Ralsky, one of the world's biggest spammers.

http://www.spamhaus.org/rokso/listing.lasso?-op=cn&spammer=Alan%20Ralsky

There is a chance for a new anti-spam law in China in the next few weeks, and then the administrators of that network might actually boot the spammers instead of taking their bribes and looking the other way, but until then, there is absolutely NOTHING we can do from the trenches. It is being worked on, is about all I can say.

http://www.spamhaus.org/news.lasso?article=153

> I looked them up and their contact information for the domain is
> completely bogus when I checked last week - but cannot get info returned
> today - not sure what if anything that means. If I remember correctly it
> was registered with godaddy - but again can't get any info right now to
> confirm.

I'll check back later as well, but there is a bug at the highest-level domain registry at the moment, the one that redirects inquiries to WHICH of the retail registries like GoDaddy has a domain's details. Since the domain resolves (meaning you can go there with a browser) the domain is not totally dead - just the whois lookup.

> Anyway - I have decided to do my part and to start reporting these people
> to their isp's - just need to know how to check. Have a couple more to
> report as well.

I recommend starting by reading all you can at the SpamCop site, and also a few hours of reading at http://spam.abuse.net/

Thanks for joining the war!

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