Private courier isn't a misconception.....

> Maw Maw....... I have been with EPI for 3 months and I have made $20,000
> there is no lying through my teeth going on here and I would be happy to
> show you proof.

I have never doubted that a few people are making big bucks.

Making 20,000 requires "selling your product" (i.e., recruiting) 20 people. I would be thrilled to have an extra $20,000 in my pocket right now, but I can't laugh all the way to the bank when I know the majority of the 20 people I recruited are not going to make money. (That's a fact of life in ALL biz ops, not only MLM.)

> I have several in my group that are experiencing the same

And several who aren't and never will and that's where my conscience kicks in.

If the pitch made it clear that MANY people will not make money, and MOST people will not make lots of money, and it's ISN'T a sure thing, and it IS MLM -- well then I wouldn't have such a problem with it. But people buy it based on the hype, and the hype is just that -- hype.

No, there are no income guarantees -- they aren't that stupid -- but the hype has the same effect, and that's no accident.

> Not sure what Ray is speaking of. There is no $100 referral fee. There is
> a $99 enrollment fee of which the recruiter gets nothing. The $99
> enrollment fee covers 5 self replicating websites available to the
> distributor.

I wasn't sure either -- but Ray is very sure.

> The product is available to the general public, maybe you should see it
> before you make an assumption. The information is excellent.

The information may be excellent, but I don't think anyone is going to want it unless they're going for the "opportunity" -- certainly not for that price. If there were any way to prove it, I would ask you to show me a list of people who have bought it and NOT joined the opportunity -- but alas, telling it does not make it so.

> Money does NOT travel by private courier. All they ask is that the money
> is sent with a tracking number. It is my choice as to whether I want to
> send via fed ex, UPS, united states Postal etc. there just needs to be a
> tracking numberto protect myself as well as the company.If I say I sent
> money I sure had better have a tracking number to protect myself. Not sure
> why the misconception about private courier. I send money all the time I
> have used Fed ex and USPS since when are these considered private
> couriers?

First, FedEx and UPS *are* private couriers. A private courier is basically anybody who isn't the post office.

Second, it isn't a misconception. I got it right off the order form/contract, which said payment for the "product" MUST be sent via private courier. There was NO "mail" or "USPS" or "postal service" option. NONE.

Here is where the contract used to be, for all the world to see:

http://www.epassportinc.com/images/P2P_R_Order.htm

Interestingly, that link leads nowhere.

SURPRISE!!!

Actually, I expected that to happen. It disappeared after I posted this "RED FLAG" message with the link to the copy of the order form/contract:

http://friendsinbusiness.com/board1/archive1/index.cgi?read=87236

Obviously someone tipped them off that this was going to lose sales and they had the smarts to take it down.

> The money also goes to a legitimate address in the U.S, Florida
> to be more specific and there is a phone number. I have it.

I had a legitimate address in Southern California for six months after I moved to Northern California. If I wanted to, I could have a legitimate address in North Dakota. They're called "private mailboxes" and anybody who pays the rent can have them. It doesn't change the fact that the company is located in Panama.

I can't dispute your income claims -- but I can clear up the rest of the "facts."

Luv,